SP1 question..

[Char Jackson]

Currently, Acronis 2010 (single user) when installed, does leave
"footprints" on the backed up HD. Old (really old) versions didn't do
this. I don't know if the non install portable version does the same
sort of thing, or you can use command line features in the portable
version to help. I was/am not happy with the 2010 version, and when
necessity arises, likely go back to other backup methods/utilities.

What are the "footprints" left by Acronis and why are they bad? (I'm
assuming they are somehow bad because of the way you brought it up.)

 

[XS11E]

What are the "footprints" left by Acronis and why are they bad?
(I'm assuming they are somehow bad because of the way you brought
it up.)

My drive shows as C:\ Windows7 (restored) after I restored it in
Acronis Disk Director so it obviously knows the drive was restored
somehow?

NOTE: it shows as C:\ Windows7 in Disk Management so how does Acronis
know it was restored? There's something there......

I don't know if I would have had any trouble with SP1 if the drive were
not a restored image, I doubt if just the presence of Acronis would
have done anything???

Anyway, it's done, restoration of the OS is almost complete.

 

[Char Jackson]

My drive shows as C:\ Windows7 (restored) after I restored it in
Acronis Disk Director so it obviously knows the drive was restored
somehow?

NOTE: it shows as C:\ Windows7 in Disk Management so how does Acronis
know it was restored? There's something there......

I don't know if I would have had any trouble with SP1 if the drive were
not a restored image, I doubt if just the presence of Acronis would
have done anything???

Anyway, it's done, restoration of the OS is almost complete.

Interesting, thanks. I haven't had a reason to restore an image lately
but I'll watch for that next time.

 

[charlie]

What are the "footprints" left by Acronis and why are they bad? (I'm
assuming they are somehow bad because of the way you brought it up.)

The Footprints basically show that the drive had Acronis used, may
contain program serial # info, etc. The data, so I'm told, is stored
in an area that is "unused" (All Acronis support would say). Since the
version I have dates from pre SP- Vista (RTM, Gold) days, I don't know
what changes were made to later Acronis versions, or patches to the
version I have. I remember seeing at least some of the data when we were
using Linux to run diagnostics on my laptop. The problem, as I
recollect, was that the data was unexpected (and unused) by standard
windows, and some of the checks by updates during the installs would
fail. I hate to say that other matters have obscured my recollection of
the details.

Currently, I'm trying to isolate (without much success) why ATI/AMD
video drivers are eventually crashing after "extended" game play in a
couple of first person "shooter" games.

 

[F1]

My drive shows as C:\ Windows7 (restored) after I restored it in
Acronis Disk Director so it obviously knows the drive was restored
somehow?

Obviously, after it just completed the restore,it would know that. Since you didn't really state at what point
is says that, I'll ask... Does it say that even if you reboot and run Disk director?

 

[Char Jackson]

The Footprints basically show that the drive had Acronis used, may
contain program serial # info, etc. The data, so I'm told, is stored
in an area that is "unused" (All Acronis support would say). Since the
version I have dates from pre SP- Vista (RTM, Gold) days, I don't know
what changes were made to later Acronis versions, or patches to the
version I have. I remember seeing at least some of the data when we were
using Linux to run diagnostics on my laptop. The problem, as I
recollect, was that the data was unexpected (and unused) by standard
windows, and some of the checks by updates during the installs would
fail. I hate to say that other matters have obscured my recollection of
the details.

Thanks for that. For me, it's just vague enough and benign sounding
that I won't worry about it. I'll keep my eyes open for problems,
though.

 

[XS11E]

Obviously, after it just completed the restore,it would know that.
Since you didn't really state at what point is says that, I'll
ask... Does it say that even if you reboot and run Disk director?

Sorry, should have mentioned it says it 3 - 6 months after the restore.
It's obviously something permanent somewhere...

 

[XS11E]

Sorry, should have mentioned it says it 3 - 6 months after the
restore. It's obviously something permanent somewhere...

IMPORTANT NOTE: I have absolutely NO evidence of any kind that Acronis
has anything to do with the failure to install SP1, I'm still leaning
toward the thought it may have been a conflict with other installed
software but.... I'll never know since I did the wipe and rebuild.

 

[Yousuf Khan]

I don't know what the SP-1 problem is, but -- I had problems with one
fairly clean new system that had Acronis 2010 installed. It also had had
a CCclean run, and passed all the "genuine" tests before I started
installing SP-1
After the install sort of completed, I had to go through the alternate
checking scheme to get it to say again that it was genuine. Eventually,
a second SP-1 install run was needed.

Another P/C running win 7 32, and relatively clogged with lots of
various games, other programs, test & development software, etc.
Flew through the SP-1 install.

Well, I'm glad to report that the in-place repair upgrade did the trick
for me, and I am now finally running under SP1 now! It's basically
removing all of the patches you've installed since the original Windows
7 release, and then applying SP1 directly to that.

I ran through all of the solutions on the Internet, and nothing worked
until this one. The big advantage of this method is that I didn't have
to reinstall any of my programs, everything remained in place and
continue to work as before, so far.

I would suggest you try this method too. If you still have your old
pre-SP1 backups, just restore those, and then immediately begin the
in-place upgrade. The in-place upgrade took about 5-6 hours (ran it
overnight), and then the install of the full downloaded SP1 package took
another 3 hours or so. Run the SP1 package installer even before you
download any of the in-between patches (there was something like 50 of
them for me), once SP1 is installed, most of those in-betweeners will
become superfluous. You may only have a dozen additional patches to
install after the SP1 is in place.

I'm pretty sure it must've been one of Microsoft's own patches that
created the issue in the first place, but which one it could've been
would've required uninstalling too many things in between.

Yousuf Khan

 

[XS11E]

I would suggest you try this method too. If you still have your
old pre-SP1 backups, just restore those, and then immediately
begin the in-place upgrade.

Thanks but no way! I just finished the installation this morning and I
really do not want to do this again!

BTW, OF COURSE I've made an image now that it's all finished!

 

[F1]

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Sorry, should have mentioned it says it 3 - 6 months after the restore.

Could be it simply renamed it and nothing else.

 

[Char Jackson]

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Could be it simply renamed it and nothing else.

You may well be right, but as conspiracy theories go, that one is
weak. ;-)

 

[Roy Smith]

IMPORTANT NOTE: I have absolutely NO evidence of any kind that Acronis
has anything to do with the failure to install SP1, I'm still leaning
toward the thought it may have been a conflict with other installed
software but.... I'll never know since I did the wipe and rebuild.

I use Acronis True Image Home 2011 on my 2 PC's and I didn't have any
problems installing SP1 on either of them.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional 64-bit
Thunderbird 3.1.9
Friday, March 25, 2011 7:36:12 PM

 

[Char Jackson]

I use Acronis True Image Home 2011 on my 2 PC's and I didn't have any
problems installing SP1 on either of them.

Same here. One of my PCs is even my test machine where I've disabled
Windows Activation Technology (WAT), and that one also updated to SP1
just fine.

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Thanks but no way! I just finished the installation this morning and I
really do not want to do this again!

BTW, OF COURSE I've made an image now that it's all finished!

I said the same thing, until I started trying to reinstall all of those
apps that I had previously. Some of them didn't even have install disks.
It's generally a nightmare to start from scratch if you have anything
more than a trivial number of apps installed.

If you have an image snapshot prior to the SP1 and one after the fresh
SP1 install, then it's pretty trivial to simply restore one or the
other. Trivial in effort, but not in time, of course. If you've saved to
an external USB drive, then it's going to be slow as molasses, and
you're not going to wanna do it. If it's backed up to a fast internal
drive, then it's trivial. I moved my disks out of external cases and put
them directly inside my machine, and it's made life a lot simpler to
experiment.

Yousuf Khan

 

[XS11E]

I use Acronis True Image Home 2011 on my 2 PC's and I didn't have
any problems installing SP1 on either of them.

The question is did you install SP1 on a restored image? If not, that
doesn't prove anything, if SP1 did install on a restored image then it
means I'm back to the conflicting software theory.