Solid State Drive Fragmantation?

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Gene E. Bloch

Brilliant! It was plugged into the USB 3.0 port. I have moved it to
the USB 2.0 port and the problem is solved.
Now *that* amazes me! USB 3 should be totally backwards compatible with
USB 2...

But in the face of concrete evidence, I can't argue :)

That also makes my remarks above about hubs moot.

I'm glad you solved it!
 
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Paul

Gene said:
Now *that* amazes me! USB 3 should be totally backwards compatible with
USB 2...

But in the face of concrete evidence, I can't argue :)

That also makes my remarks above about hubs moot.

I'm glad you solved it!
The BIOS treats USB ports differently. It all depends on
where they're terminated in hardware.

CPU
|
NB
|
SB ------- Add-on Chip (NEC, Asmedia, Etron etc)
| |
USB USB3
Ports

The BIOS typically has "full" code, for the vertical column
of stuff. That code is written by the likes of AMI/Award/Phoenix.
The motherboard companies don't write as much code as you'd think.
They buy it, as a package for the chipset.

The Add-on chip, could have a BIOS code module, but it might
not have complete functionality. That leaves in question,
whether the BIOS can boot from an add-on USB3 port, or
work a HID device (mouse/keyboard) at BIOS level. Or
for that matter, listen to the wireless dongle of your
HID devices.

Once the OS is booted, the treatment of the ports, is as good
as the built-in OS driver can do. Or can be augmented with
a separate driver. WinXP might not know what to do with an
add-on USB3 chip for example, and need a separate USB3 driver.

There are a few chipsets (AMD A75, Intel Z77), where the USB3
is on the Southbridge (SB). In which case, AMI/Award/Phoenix
would include some kind of code for the built-in ports.

So understanding what happened, is easier if you know whether
the port in question, is off SB, or is coming from a separate
chip. The vast majority of boards to date, would have used
an add-on chip like the NEC. Integrated ports aren't all that
common, due to the late ship of USB3 on motherboard chipsets.
The add-on chips had a large head start.

Paul
 
S

Scott

Now *that* amazes me! USB 3 should be totally backwards compatible with
USB 2...
I think it's because the USB 3 is on a card in a separate slot and the
USB 2 is part of the original building of the computer so by the time
the card gets recognised it is too late to interrupt the Windows
start-up.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I think it's because the USB 3 is on a card in a separate slot and the
USB 2 is part of the original building of the computer so by the time
the card gets recognised it is too late to interrupt the Windows
start-up.
OK, thanks. Besides now making sense to me, it also fits with what I
think Paul said.

This MB has built-in USB3 (only two ports on the back panel), and I
assumed (without thinking!) that your USB3 was similar.
 
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Paul

Gene said:
OK, thanks. Besides now making sense to me, it also fits with what I
think Paul said.

This MB has built-in USB3 (only two ports on the back panel), and I
assumed (without thinking!) that your USB3 was similar.
What's your chipset or motherboard make and model number ?

That'll make it easy to verify, one way or the other.

Paul
 
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Gene E. Bloch

What's your chipset or motherboard make and model number ?

That'll make it easy to verify, one way or the other.

Paul
To verify what?

That I have two USB3 ports on the back panel? Yes, I do - I can see
them. I have used them.

That Scott has a plug-in USB3 port? I have to believe him, and anyway,
my MB specs have no bearing on that.

Asus P8 H67-M EVO
 
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Scott

To verify what?

That I have two USB3 ports on the back panel? Yes, I do - I can see
them. I have used them.

That Scott has a plug-in USB3 port? I have to believe him, and anyway,
my MB specs have no bearing on that.
I can assure you that is true. I bought it and fitted it myself.
 
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Paul

Gene said:
To verify what?

That I have two USB3 ports on the back panel? Yes, I do - I can see
them. I have used them.

That Scott has a plug-in USB3 port? I have to believe him, and anyway,
my MB specs have no bearing on that.

Asus P8 H67-M EVO
H67 chip has only USB2 on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_chipsets

That means your USB3 come from a separate chip, increasing the odds
of surprises at the BIOS level, if using the USB3 ports. (I can't
guarantee what the surprises would be, but it might include not
booting from USB3 ports, or keyboard not working on USB3 port.)
And this is just a BIOS level issue - once Windows
starts, things should be working by then.

Paul
 
M

Mellowed

H67 chip has only USB2 on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_chipsets

That means your USB3 come from a separate chip, increasing the odds
of surprises at the BIOS level, if using the USB3 ports. (I can't
guarantee what the surprises would be, but it might include not
booting from USB3 ports, or keyboard not working on USB3 port.)
And this is just a BIOS level issue - once Windows
starts, things should be working by then.

Paul
I see what you are saying, but the ASUS spec
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8H67M_EVO/ for the MB clearly states
that it has USB 3.0. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8H67/

ASUS has a B3 Rev that updates the original.
 
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Paul

Mellowed said:
I see what you are saying, but the ASUS spec
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8H67M_EVO/ for the MB clearly states
that it has USB 3.0. http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8H67/

ASUS has a B3 Rev that updates the original.
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/P8H67M_EVO/#specifications

"USB Ports ASMedia USB 3.0 controller : 2 x USB 3.0 port(s)
(2 at back panel, blue)

Intel H67(B3) chipset : 12 x USB 2.0 port(s)
(4 at back panel, black,
8 at mid-board)"

The B3 revision just fixes a transistor on the SATA III ports,
so they won't blow out. The feature set of the H67 (Southbridge) chip,
is constant across revisions. And it looks like Intel paid "full freight"
on that bug.

Paul
 
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Gene E. Bloch

H67 chip has only USB2 on it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_chipsets

That means your USB3 come from a separate chip, increasing the odds
of surprises at the BIOS level, if using the USB3 ports. (I can't
guarantee what the surprises would be, but it might include not
booting from USB3 ports, or keyboard not working on USB3 port.)
And this is just a BIOS level issue - once Windows
starts, things should be working by then.

Paul
Luckily, I haven't had any USB3 surprises yet; maybe it's because I
don't tend to use them for USB2 items.
 

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