But even in that situation, you can make a case that those users
are better off with everything in a single partition, essentially
because they don’t have to ask about how to do that config.
If they know what a partition is, thay can do any of my suggestions.
And, not if they are going to backup anything large. The system and
programs are not "Large", but rather small. It's all the data people
collect these days that is "Large".
Example: My system backed up is about 20GB. (this includes the "user"
directory) I have over 1300GB of other "data" on my computer. This is
VERY small compared to others I know.
Doesn’t mean that they will be able to recognise a correct
answer to their question, and can do what they are told
needs to be done, and can handle the situation where it
doesn’t go as described, particularly if it’s the only system
they have, so they don’t have any way to ask about how to
get out of the mess they are in if it all goes pear shaped etc
and the system is unusable until fixed etc.
There isn't a "correct" answer. Any will "work"!
Or are you saying that moving your data will not allow a system restore?
That’s not right. Its also hard to recognise what
is the correct answer for them, and hard to do
what needs to be done correctly too.
In what way. If they can find the place to ask, they aren't stupid.
NONE of the things I suggested are "HARD", every single thing I've
suggested for others (not what I've done myself), can be done right from
the desktop, or during setup.
Nope, not to move the My Documents folder alone, let alone
the other folders like Downloads and the mail folders.
What is hard about moving the "Documents" folder? I guess I don't know
computers well enought to understand the hard part of it.
BTW, I'm beginning to wonder if you even use 7, as there is no "My
Documents" anymore!
But it isnt a trivial exercise to move that and have
everything completely transparently keep all data
out of the OS and apps partition in the future.
But moving the "Documents" data is! You should not move the "user"
folder at all, on a "normal" system, as too many setting that are needed
to boot are storied there!
And quite a bit of data isnt in the users folder anyway, most
obviously with Temporary Internet Files, Temp etc etc etc.
Part of the items you've listed ARE stored in the "user" folder! Do you
know anything about Windows 7 at all??? (only one of the "temp" folders
isn't, and it doesn't need to be backuped up)
Sure, but it isnt a trivial exercise for the sort of simple user
that has to ask about whether to partition their hard drive
to do that, and no one actually suggested he do that anyway.
Which is why I said what I said below. YOU cut that message in 1/2. I
just said it wasn't that hard to do. And yes, I even know what it means
if I ever have to restore my system.
And that’s just as true of having a separate OS and apps partition
with no data in it.
I never said "no data"!!! I said data like music, pics, and video.
Moving the ones I listed is about 10 mouse clicks. Nothing else adds up
to much. A good example is:
Last time I looked, my Firefox folder was the largest folder in the
"user" folder, and thatsbecause the bookmarks are so large, and it keeps
5 backups of those". One movie is easly 100 times that size. Heck, even
1 high rez picture could be that large!
It is for the sort of simple user that has to ask about
whether to partition their hard drive to do that.
You keep saying that, but I don't see it. Now if he'd ask "What is a
partition", I'd say just click the defaults, that option is for "geeks".
You arent anything like that, whatever you consider yourself to be.
Even sillier.
Nope, I'm always asking questions. I learn something new about computers
almost daily. That's what a real expert does, not mouth off with 10 year
old "facts".
Do the numbers, then get back with me. There are HDs on the market right
now that can do sustained reads (single HUGE file) at 250Gbps. That's
with track changes. On one track, it would be even faster, but then the
drive's buffer gets in the way, making it almost impossable to test.
More fool you.
But not for reads.
Sure can. If the head is already over the track, and all the data is on
one track. Max time is 1/7200 (7200 rpm) of a second. You can store a
lot of data on one track these days! Again, do the math.
Again, do the math. On a "fast" HD, track to track time is measured in
milliseconds, on a "good" drive about 5-9. That 5/100 of a second,
comparied to track time under the head of 1/7200 of a second. Very close
to two orders of magnitude, and on a 10K RPM drive, it is!
Yep, for the sort of simple user that has to ask about
whether to partition their hard drive to do that.
Could you name it?
That’s not right. The users folder would still be what it was before
the restore and so it would still boot fine after the restore.
You said it was "trivial" to excluse you "data" from a system backup. I
said it wasn't.
But the sort of simple user that has to ask about whether
to partition their hard drive to do that doesn’t know that.
If he ask what a partition was, I would not suggest what I suggested, but
since he knew ask if, in the right place, he should be able to right
click on a folder, and select add to library. QED.
But that doesn’t necessarily determine where all the apps put the
data.
Again, Under 7, almost all data is in the user directory. ALL new
programs, and most old XP ones store their settings there. Also the
default for the "Documents" folder is there. The amount of data stored
elsewhere is, lets see, how do you put it, oh yes, "trivial".
Again, I'm not saying to move the "user" folder, I'm saying to move the
pictures, music and videos. You do know that one HD video is larger that
most peoples system and program area added together?
(I did it for a reason that has nothing to do with this thread, but the
way the first gen SSDs worked.)
And most desktop power supply failures don’t risk
your data, so the hard drive should be first on the list.
Wow, you are out of the loop. Most HD failures are because of bad/cheap
power supplies. And my list was just failures, showing that HDs were
number 2, and more likely that a OS failure, which is why you should
backup your data, and on some systems it's MUCH better to partition to
control that, and on Windows 7, having data somewhere other than the
system partition IS "trivial".
Its hardly ever the power supply with those. A power
supply failure doesn’t normally risk your data with those.
Theft is much more likely to be the reason to need the backup.
What didn't you understand. AIN'T going there!
Doesn’t help with the OS config.
Ah, you've never used it at all. Love experts that haven't used
something, but know all about it.
Which is why I don’t use it. I use that almost exclusively.
So to open email, you click on the .pts file?
Never even thought you did, much less said it.
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