New computer but win 7 or 8

[Paul]

And check those LSO cookies, too. Just another safety precaution.

I've been using the Flash control panel, and it has some kinda
delete for that. I haven't checked how good a job it does though.

I used to clean them out manually, before the Flash control panel
came along. But not daily or anything. It was part of my manual
disk cleanup procedure. (Like, clear Adobe Reader cache, Google Earth
cache, just to release some disk space.)

Paul

 

[Paul]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. The reading I did on Fast Boot was
wrong, but to be fair, the article (about W8's new features) was written
while W8 was still in development. So, the writer could have made
a mistake, or I misinterpreted it, or the writer was right and
Microsoft changed the way Fast Boot worked in the final release. I
don't know. And actually all this is academic, since I don't have a W8
machine, and probably, never will: W8 has too many "cons," and not
enough "pros" to entice me, a lot like Vista. ;-)

Stef

I use W8 as a "compute engine", rather than as a GUI.
If I know something with a long run time, will run better
under it, I switch over. Then switch back later.

Even with any potential improvements, there's still
something a bit goofy about how tasks are scheduled on
Windows 8. I run into the occasional glitch, which would
not have happened the same way on WinXP. WinXP has bad
pathological behavior (certain test cases, fail miserably).
Windows 8 has more glitches that happen under ordinary
circumstances. Like, extremely long runtime on some
filters on Audacity, that should not be happening. So
you may notice, that certain of your applications,
their dynamics are no longer the same as they were on
a previous OS.

Paul

 

[Ken Springer]

I've been using the Flash control panel, and it has some kinda
delete for that. I haven't checked how good a job it does though.

I used to clean them out manually, before the Flash control panel
came along. But not daily or anything. It was part of my manual
disk cleanup procedure. (Like, clear Adobe Reader cache, Google Earth
cache, just to release some disk space.)

I use Firefox, and it has the Better Privacy add-on that does this too.
I've actually set both Better Privacy and the Flash Settings Manager
to keep everything off. I don't care which one actually does the job, I
want them all gone.

The Better Privacy add-on is available for a couple other browsers, I think.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.3
Firefox 20.0
Thunderbird 17.0.5
LibreOffice 4.0.1.2

 

[Char Jackson]

I seem to recall when using Start8 that in the setup options there is
the option to kill the hot zones. I can't verify that since I no longer
use Win8 and have reverted back to Win7.

I don't have Start8 and have no plans to get it, so I can't immediately
confirm that.

 

[Char Jackson]

Yes, easily.

I suppose I should have asked that differently. I used to get answers like
that from my teenager, back in the day.

Bummer.



Your choice of course, but I don't see any need to completely hide it,
and I even use it once in a while.

Likewise, I see no need to ever use the Modern UI. Therefore, completely
hiding it has obvious merit for me.

 

[Char Jackson]

You don't ever have to go there on purpose (although you might
occasionally get there accidentally, to me that's no big deal).

To me, it's a slightly bigger deal, especially when I'm presenting to a
large-ish audience and accidentally click in a hot zone or perform an action
that Windows thinks is best handled by the Modern interface. Like I said
above, I got some or even most of it tamed, but not all of it.

And going there is very different from using it. Looking at it isn't
using it, Clicking on a tile there and running an application there is
using it.

For me, the damage is done when I "go there". I quickly get back, but if
it's a harsh crowd, the twitters and giggles start and ripple through.

 

[stones]

And check those LSO cookies, too. Just another safety precaution.

Disabling scripting seems to break nearly all sites nowadays. And what
are "LSO cookies"?

 

[stones]

Likewise, I see no need to ever use the Modern UI. Therefore, completely
hiding it has obvious merit for me.

Fortunately, there *is* actually a readily available piece of software
that will hide it completely: the setup.exe on a Windows 7 disc.

 

[Ken Springer]

Disabling scripting seems to break nearly all sites nowadays. And what
are "LSO cookies"?

Locally Shared Objects. A different kind of cookie that the normal
cookie cleaning doesn't affect.

They can be used to track you on the web, even emulating a keylogger.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tec...t-are-flash-cookies-and-how-can-you-stop-them
<--- Don't be put off by the tasty looking real cookie when the page
loads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_shared_object

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_privacy

LSO cookies, aka Flash cookies, affect all OS's. And the settings that
affect what these cookies can do is set from a Macromedia (Adobe) web page.

http://www.macromedia.com/support/documentation/en/flashplayer/help/settings_manager.html

Since It's a Macromedia/Adobe product that uses these, I will never put
100% faith they will always be "honest and above board" this settings
manager will work. So, since I use Firefox, I install the Better
Privacy add-on that also deals with LSO cookies.

I don't know if any of the current utilities that remove cookies have
added options for LSO cookies or not.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.3
Firefox 20.0
Thunderbird 17.0.5
LibreOffice 4.0.1.2

 

[Ken Blake]

I don't have Start8 and have no plans to get it, so I can't immediately
confirm that.

I can confirm it. It's not just a setup option, but a configuration
option after setting up.

And I recommend Start8.

 

[Mellowed]

I don't have Start8 and have no plans to get it, so I can't immediately
confirm that.

Well your premise was 'Until I can completely hide the new UI'. Well it
looks like your can for $5.

 

[Laszlo Lebrun]

Well your premise was 'Until I can completely hide the new UI'. Well it
looks like your can for $5.

You can even for free: classic shell

 

[Ken Blake]

You can even for free: classic shell

You are both missing Char's point. Yes, both Classic Shell and Start8
lets you use the traditional desktop interface instead of the modern
interface. But neither one lets you hide it *completely*, which is
what Char wants: letting you kill the capability to switch UI's when
pressing the Windows key by itself.

In my view, what Char wants is a very minor point, and it's not worth
avoiding Windows 8 for just that reason. But that's his view, and he
has a right to it.

And both Classic Shell and Start8 are very good, but I think Start8
is considerably better, and for the very low price of $5, it's worth
getting and using instead of Classic Shell.

 

[Larry__Weiss]

And both Classic Shell and Start8 are very good, but I think Start8
is considerably better, and for the very low price of $5, it's worth
getting and using instead of Classic Shell.

The owner of Start8, Stardock, makes good software.
I have used their Fences product for several years.

http://www.stardock.com/products/?from=nav

 

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2013 14:23:11 +0000 (UTC), "stones" <stoneyroost14

Disabling scripting seems to break nearly all sites nowadays.

True, but I disable it globally and only enable it for sites I trust.
Guilty until proven innocent - that way, if I manage to land on an evil
site, I'm not compromised as easily.

Also, many sites are usable, if not completely, without scripting. I
can often get the info or content I want without enabling scripts.

And I can selectively enable scripts on a given website so that I don't
get the Google analytics stuff tracking me even after I enable scripts
for the site itself if needed for the information I'm after.

And what are "LSO cookies"?

Since this was answered elsethread, I'll demur.

 

[FD]

Try Skip Metro Suite

http://skip-metro-suite.en.softonic.com/

 

[DJT]

You are both missing Char's point. Yes, both Classic Shell and Start8
lets you use the traditional desktop interface instead of the modern
interface. But neither one lets you hide it *completely*, which is
what Char wants: letting you kill the capability to switch UI's when
pressing the Windows key by itself.

In my view, what Char wants is a very minor point, and it's not worth
avoiding Windows 8 for just that reason. But that's his view, and he
has a right to it.

And both Classic Shell and Start8 are very good, but I think Start8
is considerably better, and for the very low price of $5, it's worth
getting and using instead of Classic Shell.

Has anyone tried just uninstalling all the apps in ""Modern
Interface".
What happens if you do

DJT

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Has anyone tried just uninstalling all the apps in ""Modern
Interface".
What happens if you do

DJT

Here's a guess: Microsoft would avenge the insult by making your system
collapse.

More seriously: you'd probably just end up with an empty start screen.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Fortunately, there *is* actually a readily available piece of software
that will hide it completely: the setup.exe on a Windows 7 disc.

Have you tested that?

Just kidding...In fact, I enjoyed your suggested solution.

 

[Ken Blake]

Has anyone tried just uninstalling all the apps in ""Modern
Interface".
What happens if you do

I haven't tried, so I don't know for sure, but my guess is that you
would still have the metro interface, but with no tiles on the modern
start screen.

Sort of similar to a desktop interface with no shortcuts on the
desktop.