Multi posting v.s. Crossposting ?

[Pfsszxt]

multiple newsgroups (but only to a *few* related newsgroups).



A cross posted message would look like this in the address bar for example:

alt.windows7.general, microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general,
microsoft.public.windows.live.mail.desktop,
microsoft.public.windows.vista.mail, microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

I understand that and want to change --but no one has answered the
basic question --how do I write the groups so as to get "cross"
since a comma-separated list is apparently "multi" addressing?

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

I understand that and want to change --but no one has answered the
basic question --how do I write the groups so as to get "cross"
since a comma-separated list is apparently "multi" addressing?

You still don't understand. A comma-separated list of newsgroups in one
message is *cross* posting. Single like messages to *one group at a time*
is multi-posting.

http://blakjak.org/mul_crss.htm
http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost

 

[richard]

Sorry, but no, they are not the same.

Cross-posting is addressing a single message to more than one
newsgroup. That's Ok if the number of newsgroups is small and they are
related to each other.

Multi-posting is sending the same message separately to more than one
newsgroup. As far as I'm concerned, that is a very poor thing to do.
Doing so just fragments the thread, so someone who answers in one
newsgroup doesn't always get to see answers from others in another
newsgroup. And for those who read all the newsgroups the message is
multiposted to, they see the message multiple times instead of once
(they would see it only once if you correctly crossposted instead).
This wastes everyone's time, and gets you poorer help than you should
get.

If you must send the same message to more than one newsgroup, please
do so by crossposting -- sending a single message simultaneously to
multiple newsgroups (but only to a *few* related newsgroups).

Please see "Multiposting vs Crossposting" at
http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

Obviously, you failed to read the part where I said multiposting may mean
sending the same message to a number of groups as seperate posts.

 

[richard]

I understand that and want to change --but no one has answered the
basic question --how do I write the groups so as to get "cross"
since a comma-separated list is apparently "multi" addressing?

You have it backwards.
alt.test,alt.test.test,alt.test.test.test is crossposting.
Multi-posting is sending a post to one group, then simply by changing the
name of the group, you send the same message again.

 

[richard]

The last copy here is from January.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130119041905/http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm

Paul

He has the right concept.
However, he is wrong that a crossposted message will be downloaded in every
group simultaneously.
I've never seen this happen in any newsreader I've used.
And I've never heard of a news server that charges per second of
downloading a message.

As I see it, there are times when multiposting is necessary.
What if I don't want a certain niche of users in one group to flood another
group with their kooky political BS?

 

[richard]

If anyone needs a lesson in what multi- and cross-posting is, it seems to
be you, RtS. From your once-again incorrect advice, it is obvious you
don't know the difference.

Pfsszxt, don't pay any attention to any advice from richard the sto0pid.

So how come you're not bitch slapping the others for posting the same thing
I did? Although wording may not be identical.

 

[Steve Hayes]

He has the right concept.
However, he is wrong that a crossposted message will be downloaded in every
group simultaneously.
I've never seen this happen in any newsreader I've used.
And I've never heard of a news server that charges per second of
downloading a message.

Nor have I, but some telecoms providers charge per second online, whether you
are talking or accessing data.

As I see it, there are times when multiposting is necessary.
What if I don't want a certain niche of users in one group to flood another
group with their kooky political BS?

Set follow-ups accordingly.

 

[SC Tom]

Using OE, when you start a new post, click on Newsgroups at the left of
what would be the To field in an e-mail. This will reveal all the groups
you are subscribed to. Just double click on each one the same as you would
add multiple recipients to an e-mail.

Thanks for that tip; I did not know that. It also works with WLM

 

[Ken Blake]

I understand that and want to change --but no one has answered the
basic question --how do I write the groups so as to get "cross"
since a comma-separated list is apparently "multi" addressing?

Please read the replies you get *very* carefully. I'll tell you once
more what I and others have said more than once. A comma-separated
list is ****NOT*** multi-posting. It is cross-posting.

 

[Ken Blake]

Here's the current home of that document:

http://blakjak.org/mul_crss.htm

Thanks for that update, which I didn't know about.

 

[Ken Blake]

No, they aren't using the wrong term. Mr. Pfsszxt is rather confused.

"Rather"? The understatement of the year!

 

[Beauregard T. Shagnasty]

Oh so wrong.

So how come you're not bitch slapping the others for posting the same
thing I did? Although wording may not be identical.

RtS, nobody else said '"multi" and "cross" are virtually the same thing.'
Only you said that, and it is wrong. As is just about every piece of
advice you have ever given anyone on Usenet, about any subject.

Your "wording may not be identical" really makes me laugh, too. You are a
joke.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Your "wording may not be identical" really makes me laugh, too. You are a
joke.

He evidently didn't realize why the wording "might not be identical"...

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I understand that and want to change --but no one has answered the
basic question --how do I write the groups so as to get "cross"
since a comma-separated list is apparently "multi" addressing?

If you are truly doing what you say, then you are not using the correct
syntax for your newsreader.

Multiposting:
Send contents A to newsgroup 1.
Separately send contents A to newsgroup 2.
Separately send contents A to newsgroup 3.
Etc.

What you see in each posting as you send it is that the Newsgroups field
contains only newsgroup 1 the first time you send, newsgroup 2 the
second time you send, etc.

Crossposting:
Send contents A to newsgroup 1, newsgroup 2, newsgroup 3, etc.,
simultaneously.

What you see in your composition window the one and ONLY time you press
send, is that the Newsgroups field contains newsgroup 1, newsgroup 2,
newsgroup 3, etc.

BUT the syntax MUST be correct for your newsreader.

I have no access to Forte Agent, so I have no idea how you do it there -
but YOU have access to it, and YOU can look it up in the menus - or in
the help, if there is any.

In my newsreader, when I click in the Newsgroups field, I am presented
with a list of newsgroups, and every one of those that I control-click
on is added to that field with the correct syntax. Saves having to
think.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Then don't include that newsgroup (the one with the kooks in it) in the
first place - or am I missing something?

Set follow-ups accordingly.

I suppose that could apply if you're posting a _followup_ to an existing
post that _has_ been posted across 'groups with and without the kooks.
But by then the damage has been done )-: - and some of them may even add
it back.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

I'm sometimes a bit bewildered by that, really - there are no young people in
it, there's no sex, there's no violence, no car chases and there's no action
and no vampires. - Colin Firth on the success of the film "The King's Speech".
Radio Times 10-16 September 2011

 

[Steve Hayes]

Then don't include that newsgroup (the one with the kooks in it) in the
first place - or am I missing something?

Except that it might be that not all the participants are kooks, and there may
be some people there who might be interested in what you are posting, or whose
opinion you might be soliciting.

I suppose that could apply if you're posting a _followup_ to an existing
post that _has_ been posted across 'groups with and without the kooks.
But by then the damage has been done )-: - and some of them may even add
it back.

Yes, that happens sometimes, and there are various ways of dealing with it.

(Free) Agent has a useful setting where it will treat a change in the subject
line as a new thread. Kooks often change the subject line to insult the person
they are replying to, so those new threads can be marked "Ignore".

If they change the subject without changing the subject line, I change the
subject line to whatever they are talking about, set follow-ups to an
appropriate newsgroup (like alt.troll, which is where many such kooks belong),
and again mark the thread "Ignore", so that if they change the newsgroups line
back, I won't see it. If their reply goes to the follow-up newsgroup I will
see it, but it gets them out of the the main group(s).

Other readers let you "killfile" kooks.

 

[Evan Platt]

"multi" and "cross" are virtually the same thing.

No, they aren't.

either is done by adding a second newsgroup to the groups list.

That's not how you multipost.

 

[Nil]

This I've always done --- that's getting the complaints of
"multi"

No, you have not been doing that. Do you really expect anyone to
believe you? For example, here are two of your messages:

Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Subject: Appolgy & question
From: (e-mail address removed)
Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-8
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:42:57 -0500

Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Subject: Apology and question
From: (e-mail address removed)
Newsgroups: alt.windows7.general
Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2013 12:52:36 -0500

Clearly, they are separate messages that have been posted several
minutes apart, and you changed the spelling of a word in the subject.
They could not, and were not posted in the way you claim.

 

[Top]

richard presented the following explanation :

So how come you're not bitch slapping the
others for posting the same thing I did?
Although wording may not be identical.

Because of your past reputation of posting stupid
answers people automatically assume whatever you
have to say is stupid. 999 times out of 1000 they
are right.

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[Ed Cryer]

I've been knocked around a bit for "multi-posting"
rather than "cross posting" (If I have the terms
correct.
I'm using Free Agent (but it'll be gone in a few days)
and Outlook Express.
I'm not aware of having a choice -- or is it in thge way I write
the "Newsgroups" entry

Excuse me if I haven't read all this thread. I've tried to, but, well, I
can't be sure.
Is it still true that some newsreader clients will mark a post as read
in all the groups if it was crossposted? Which won't happen, of course,
with multi-posted.

Ed