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[BillW50]

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I think what we can tell people is:

1) WLM 15 is dysfunctional. It was purposely modified to ruin
threads in USENET. Previous versions worked better.

You mean the editor is dysfunctional, not the application itself. Every
single reader's editor is dysfunctional as far as I am concern. Back in
the 80's and early 90's, many DOS reader programmers knew this was true.
So while they may have included an editor, but most had a second option
to use your own favorite text / word processor instead. Far, far better.

The only people who did that in the GUI world was Microsoft with
WordMail. Only worked with Word of course. But at least they had the
right idea. But nobody else doesn't get it at all. As don't create a
wimpy editor then expect me to use it. I won't put up with that crap!

Even right now I am using Word as my editor. Can't do that with
something like Thunderbird. As it totally screws it up when you try. And
when I use WLM, I also use Word as my editor. So quoting isn't a single
problem at all. That is what macros are for. One key press and all done.

2) If you install a previous version, it's just possible the
software will try to update itself. WLM is part of a suite,
an idea I detest. Good programs should stand alone, allow
easy removal alone, etc.

I am glad you mentioned this. Other software also isn't so nice. As I
stopped using CyberPower UPS so I didn't need CyberPower PowerPanel
Personal Edition anymore. And guess what? It won't uninstall! It claims
that setup.msi is the wrong version. And that is the same version that
installed it in the first place. And you can't install over it again
since it says you have to uninstall it first.

And I am not a big believer in formatting and reinstalling everything
from scratch. As I don't see the need for that. But dang it! I am so
close to doing just that! Then you have all of that third party
activation crap and they think you are trying to install it on another
computer and the activation fails... who needs this?

3) There are plenty of newsreaders out there. A person is free
to go out and test them, until they find one they're happy
with. Brow beating them into using *your* choice, isn't the
answer.

No, I don't care what others want to use. What I do care about others
saying something is great and wasting other peoples time. People get
enough of that nonsense from other sources.

But the bottom line remains, use WLM 15, and screw up threads,
and you're going to get feedback from the other people in the
thread. Especially when something they didn't say, is attributed
to them by accident. Then the fur will fly. So if you enter
the room with "WLM 15" tattooed on your forehead, you'd better
move like Bush with that shoe guy. Duck

Bottom line is you don't have to use the build in editor of WLM 15. In
fact, I don't like using any built in editor from any reader whatsoever.
I think they are all awful. Most of them are no better than Notepad with
spell checking.

 

[BillW50]

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You wouldn't be saying that if any of them included CTRL-H, a feature
that only you seem to think is critical.

It is only a view, a critical view at that. It is like Open Office (and
many others) didn't have Word's Normal view. Why on Earth would you
leave that one out of a GUI editor? That is like View 101. If you can't
even do that right, you are hopeless.

 

[Nil]

Oh and that is the point you slow Alias got out of it? No the
point was Agent was one of the last readers on the planet to
support multiple email accounts. If I recall correctly, that was
not until 2005 with Agent v3.

What does that have to do with with setting up a newsgroup response so
that the original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such
as "<"?

What does a 7-year-old obsolete version of Agent have anything to do
with the subject?

What does Agent's email features have to do with the subject?

The answer to all three:

Absolutely Nothing.

Why do you continuously harp on this irrelevant crap?

 

[BillW50]

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What does that have to do with with setting up a newsgroup response so
that the original posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such
as "<"?

What does a 7-year-old obsolete version of Agent have anything to do
with the subject?

What does Agent's email features have to do with the subject?

The answer to all three:

Absolutely Nothing.

Why do you continuously harp on this irrelevant crap?

You don't know Nil? It HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT NIL! Why tell
somebody to use something else that will give them years of endless
grief Nil! I hate when people tell somebody to use some piece of crap
just so they think they know something. That isn't right at all! That is
just being stupid. Do you like being stupid Nil? Because you are acting
stupid!

Yes I have been there many times. Try OS/2 you will like it. Try
Thunderbird you will like it. Try Linux you will like it. Try the Mac
you will like it! And you know what clueless Nil? I didn't like any of
it and I hold bozos like you responsible for wasting all of my time. And
I want to make sure bozos like you don't do it to anybody else. SO what
is wrong with that?

 

[BillW50]

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The word "dickhead" comes to mind.

Only if you had a brain you would understand. Stupid people like you who
thinks they know it all are annoying. But that is what you want to be be
right? Of course it is.

 

[Peter Jason]

How does one set a newsgroup response in Live mail so that the original
posting is indented or marked off with a symbol such as "<."

I can seem to find a way to do that.

Thanks,

Quigley

I used to use OE6 but with my new computer system
I switched to Outlook10 for mail, and Agent for
newsgroups.

After 12 months or so there's been no problem and
the host of options available for these two makes
me regret I didn't do it sooner.

Listen & learn!

 

[BillW50]

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Your beside manner leaves a lot to be desired.

Naw... you are just a spoiled brat that has nothing better to do. You
are not the least bit intelligent and make things up as you go along.
And this has been proven over the many years. That is why we don't trust
anything you say without reliable references. But you can't even do that
correctly.

 

[BillW50]

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I used to use OE6 but with my new computer system
I switched to Outlook10 for mail, and Agent for
newsgroups.

After 12 months or so there's been no problem and
the host of options available for these two makes
me regret I didn't do it sooner.

Listen & learn!

Learn what? That Agent is one of the most complex and hard to use
programs ever? Why not tell the truth and say how it really is?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/122391/first_look_fortes_overly_complex_newsgroup_reader.html

Yes that is old article. But things really hasn't changed at all, has
it?

 

[Nil]

You don't know Nil? It HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH IT NIL! Why tell
somebody to use something else that will give them years of
endless grief Nil! I hate when people tell somebody to use some
piece of crap just so they think they know something. That isn't
right at all! That is just being stupid. Do you like being stupid
Nil? Because you are acting stupid!

Yes I have been there many times. Try OS/2 you will like it. Try
Thunderbird you will like it. Try Linux you will like it. Try the
Mac you will like it! And you know what clueless Nil? I didn't
like any of it and I hold bozos like you responsible for wasting
all of my time. And I want to make sure bozos like you don't do it
to anybody else. SO what is wrong with that?

This doesn't even warrant a response, but I will, anyway:

I believe you are insane.

 

[BillW50]

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This doesn't even warrant a response, but I will, anyway:

I believe you are insane.

Nil, you really believe in wasting other peoples time and you call me
insane? Serious Nil, you need help.

 

[Ken Springer]

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Learn what? That Agent is one of the most complex and hard to use
programs ever? Why not tell the truth and say how it really is?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/122391/first_look_fortes_overly_complex_newsgroup_reader.html

Yes that is old article. But things really hasn't changed at all, has
it?

Just wondering...

Of what value is a 6 and a half year old article on version 3 when the
current version is 6?

If I were looking for a newsgroup reader, I'd want to know what the
reader is like now, not 6 and a half years ago.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 12.0
Thunderbird 12.0
LibreOffice 3.5.2.2

 

[BillW50]

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Just wondering...

Of what value is a 6 and a half year old article on version 3 when the
current version is 6?

If I were looking for a newsgroup reader, I'd want to know what the
reader is like now, not 6 and a half years ago.

About every year I try Agent. Mostly because people tell me how great it
is. And my reaction is always the same. And I think the last time I
tried it a few months ago and that just might have been my last. I have
fallen for that crap for 17 years now and I am just too tired to keep
trying it again. If they can't get it right in 17 years I am tired of
waiting and moving to something else. And yes, it is still one of the
most complex and hard to use readers out there. But if you like that
sort of thing, then go for it. Who am I to tell you no?

 

[Ken Springer]

Who am I to tell you no?

Isn't that exactly what you are telling others?

--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 12.0
Thunderbird 12.0
LibreOffice 3.5.2.2

 

[Sam Hill]

About every year I try Agent. Mostly because people tell me how great it
is. And my reaction is always the same. And I think the last time I
tried it a few months ago and that just might have been my last. I have
fallen for that crap for 17 years now and I am just too tired to keep
trying it again. If they can't get it right in 17 years I am tired of
waiting and moving to something else. And yes, it is still one of the
most complex and hard to use readers out there. But if you like that
sort of thing, then go for it. Who am I to tell you no?

Perhaps you just aren't smart enough to use a program that is mildly
technical. Your history blog there seems to indicate that.

But you go have fun with your entry-level WLM and Outhouse Distress
newsreaders and enjoy yourself, okay? Just keep it to yourself.

 

[BillW50]

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Isn't that exactly what you are telling others?

What do you mean Ken? Agent is very complex and hard to use. It has been
that way since '95 and continues to this very day. Why not tell the
truth? Why do you know of a more harder and more complex reader? If you
do, I love to hear about it. ;-)

 

[Peter Jason]

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Learn what? That Agent is one of the most complex and hard to use
programs ever? Why not tell the truth and say how it really is?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/122391/first_look_fortes_overly_complex_newsgroup_reader.html

Yes that is old article. But things really hasn't changed at all, has
it?

It is a bit complex, but all the features make up
for it.

 

[Sam Hill]

What do you mean Ken? Agent is very complex and hard to use.

For a third-grader. Maybe.

 

[BillW50]

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It is a bit complex, but all the features make up for it.

Yeah, yeah... but writing your own program is complex and makes up for
it too. Yet how many are willing to do this? And if you are willing to
go that far, why do you need Agent anyway? Ever noticed that Agent only
holds a small niche for the past 17 years? Gee there is a reason for
this and guess why?

 

[BillW50]

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For a third-grader. Maybe.

Keep dreaming. It isn't a big secret the Agent is the most hard to use
and most complex reader out there. If you love complex and hard to use
readers, Agent is for you. As for the rest of us, we have better things
to do.

 

[Sam Hill]

Keep dreaming. It isn't a big secret the Agent is the most hard to use
and most complex reader out there. If you love complex and hard to use
readers, Agent is for you. As for the rest of us, we have better things
to do.

Most hard? <lol> Have you tried 40tude Dialog? Arguably one of the
best newsreaders ever. If you need an option, it's already included.

http://dialog.datalist.org/

On second thought, don't bother. You wouldn't be able to handle it with
your third-grade skills.