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Worn Out Retread
Who ever told you that is full of crap. I'm running a Quad Core and it is
very good.
very good.
A
Anthony Buckland
I started a discussion over on one of the XP groups aLeviatan said:
short while ago about what we would see machine
manufacturers package with Win 7 once it came out,
and to the degree that there was any consensus,
the choice was Thunderbird. Make of this what
you will.
I
IK
**SNIP**
recent version of OE be downloaded to a pc running windows 7?
Or likewise, can Windows Live work on a system running XP. Both questions
are pertenent to my sidiation...as I'm running my old computer beside my new
one for awhile.
Ah, just the information I was looking for. I wonder though, can the most
recent version of OE be downloaded to a pc running windows 7?
Or likewise, can Windows Live work on a system running XP. Both questions
are pertenent to my sidiation...as I'm running my old computer beside my new
one for awhile.
S
SC Tom
Most components of Live will work in XP ( see here:IK said:
http://windowslive.com/systemrequirements ).
OE will not work in Win7.
SC Tom
G
Grenou
Annie Woughman said:Thanks for the heads up. I am now posting from Windows Live MailGrenou said:I downloaded and installed Windows Live Mail for mail and newsgroups.Annie Woughman said:
It works fine.
Grenou
Well done
V
Vadim Igorev
I think the same, even that Vista after recent upgrade runs much faster,Fritz said:
there was no better OS by Microsoft than XP Pro, it's all downhill from
there for them and for us.
K
Ken Blake
That doesn't bother me at all, for two reasons:
1. Not coming with a newsreader gives each person the opportunity to
choose whatever newsreader he prefers. I'm against operating systems
coming with application software (whether a newsreader or anything
else) since doing so makes it much more likely that many people will
use what they are given, rather than explore the alternatives and
choose what's best for them.
2. My personal preference is Forte Agent 5.0. I've used Agent for
several years, with Windows 7 as well as with earlier Windows
versions. I recommend that you try it, as well as the many others
available, and choose what *you* like best.
??? Then you haven't looked very hard. A Google search will get you
many alternatives to try.
I'm with you entirely there. I greatly dislike using web-based forums
instead of newsreaders.
Your choice of course, but each of our views as to what is "pretty" is
not necessarily the same. Personally, I don't find either Windows
Vista or Windows 7 to be prettier than the other, nor would I care a
lot if I did.
C
Cool Dude
You got that right and why I still run XP.Vadim said:
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Win challenged
Unfortunately I'm gradually realizing the same.Fritz Deneken said:
Oh well, M$ can use the income.
N
Navin R. Johnson
Hi Ken - Sorry to butt in and top-post, but...
About Agent 5.0: that's what I use currently - on a WinXP Pro system I
built. Specs: 8Gb DDR2 (will utilize this when Win7 gets loaded), AMD
Phenom II X4 940, WD 300GB VelociRaptor (along with three WD TeraByte
SATA 'data' drives), ASUS M4A79 Deluxe Mbd, Radeon HD 4650 & two
external eSATA drives. AntiVirus - Kaspersky Internet Security 2009
(upgraded to 2010 then ran an update which went terribly wrong & then
had to go back to the 2009 version) & MalwareBytes Anti-malware.
Since upgrading from Agent 4.2 to 5.0 though, I've found that it's
almost impossible to do anything else on my system while Agent is
downloading binary files - it seems to take a large percentage of CPU
time away from anything else that I try to run. I have the Windows 7
Pro Upgrade (purchased 64-bit EDU version from DigitalRiver for $30)
and plan on using Gnome Partition Editor to make room on the 300GB
drive for it - for dual boot. I have downloaded all required Win7
64-bit drivers to support my hardware. My question: in your opinion,
will this setup work? And do you think Windows 7 will handle Agent 5.0
better than XP - without allowing Agent to hog the CPU and slow things
to a crawl? I do still have the 4.2 version of Agent and could try it.
Also, should I set my motherboard for AHCI to load Win7 - it's now set
to IDE (compatable) mode - or just leave it alone?
Again, sorry to intrude. I probably should've just started a new
thread. Thanx in advance for your help.
NRJ
KEN:
About Agent 5.0: that's what I use currently - on a WinXP Pro system I
built. Specs: 8Gb DDR2 (will utilize this when Win7 gets loaded), AMD
Phenom II X4 940, WD 300GB VelociRaptor (along with three WD TeraByte
SATA 'data' drives), ASUS M4A79 Deluxe Mbd, Radeon HD 4650 & two
external eSATA drives. AntiVirus - Kaspersky Internet Security 2009
(upgraded to 2010 then ran an update which went terribly wrong & then
had to go back to the 2009 version) & MalwareBytes Anti-malware.
Since upgrading from Agent 4.2 to 5.0 though, I've found that it's
almost impossible to do anything else on my system while Agent is
downloading binary files - it seems to take a large percentage of CPU
time away from anything else that I try to run. I have the Windows 7
Pro Upgrade (purchased 64-bit EDU version from DigitalRiver for $30)
and plan on using Gnome Partition Editor to make room on the 300GB
drive for it - for dual boot. I have downloaded all required Win7
64-bit drivers to support my hardware. My question: in your opinion,
will this setup work? And do you think Windows 7 will handle Agent 5.0
better than XP - without allowing Agent to hog the CPU and slow things
to a crawl? I do still have the 4.2 version of Agent and could try it.
Also, should I set my motherboard for AHCI to load Win7 - it's now set
to IDE (compatable) mode - or just leave it alone?
Again, sorry to intrude. I probably should've just started a new
thread. Thanx in advance for your help.
NRJ
K
Ken Blake, MVP
Not a problem.
I have no experience with binary newsgroups, so I can't agree or
disagree with that. But I can tell that I've never had such an
experience with text newsgroups.
Sorry, I can't comment about binary newsgroups, but my experience with
text newsgroups in Agent 5.0 in both XP and Windows 7 has been fine.
C
Canuck57
Doesn't include a mail program if that is what you mean. You canRustY said:
download the flaky "Live Mail" junk, but I prefer Thunderbird.
Win 7 is Vista regurgitated. Same performance isues but they did
improve the Aero a little by removing the smoothness and frame rates.
Appears faster but is chunky. But if you benchmark disk and network
copies, same issues as Vista.
The gadget bar has changed, some resolutions cause overlap and spacing
is more like the desktop. A step backwards in my opinion.
Certainly not worth $$ to upgrade. In fact I reverted back to Vista.
AMD X4 9750, ATI 4350, 8GB RAM, 750GB and 1TB drives. Didn't waste my
time putting it on a similarly equiped Q6600.
G
Gordon
Actually not. Certainly not here on the same hardware that I ran Vista on.
One thing I have noticed - the undocumented, unacknowledged "feature" that
Vista has/had, of randomly dropping the wireless internet connection (not
the WLAN, just the Internet), has been fixed in 7...
T
Top
I'm having good results running Win 7 on a 5 year old
Dell desktop. Better than Vista I would say although I
had no major problems with Vista either.
Win 7 installed with no effort from me. It is a bit
slower to load than I would like but as I said this is
an older machine, 3 ghz processor with 2 gb ram. I'm
using Win 7 Pro.
J
jimmywin7
hi guys
I recently imaged my vista home prem. x32 and formatted and installed win 7
pro. It took me 3 tries to finally get it to work well. I have a Dell
Inspiron E1705 laptop I am working with and win 7 pro had no support for
the ATI mobility radeon x1400 video adapter. So I figured I would try one
of the MS built in drivers for ATI cards as it was assigning only a
standard VGA driver. So after some research and seeing what may be working
for others, I manually updated the device and tried 2 drivers, both
actually worked fine and was stable for me. The first was just the radeon
x1300 driver ( no mobility, but the desktop version) and then I tried the
x1600 and that is what I have been using.
Nice system, according to Dell the inspiron e1705 was not compatible, but I
got it to work fine after fighting with the video issues. I originally
tried the Dell vista ati driver and it worked, but on reboot screen went
black and had to shutdown several times. After the third format and
install, I figured out the video issue and the radeon x1600 (desktop driver
I assume) is working well. Base score on performance gives me a 3.6 which
is fine with me. I also ran direct x diagnostics (dxdiag.exe in system32
folder) and it showed no problems with the display.
I thought this to be kind of funny that this driver is working for me, but
I would not advise this for anyone else. my experience may not be good for
someone else depending on their system. Many are having display issues and
this is how I got mine working. Ati (amd) are not bothering with "older"
cards to update their drivers, but supposedly MS has one on their update
server, but as long as this is working, I will not chance using MS driver.
Hopefully I will find the proper driver down the road somewhere after this
has been out for awhile. I am a computer tech for about 11 years now and
always advise folks to wait for at least 6 months to a year before
upgrading. I do not advise "upgrades", as that is asking for trouble but
some folks prefer that as it is usually less expensive. clean installs are
best if you can do it, as long as you save your necessary data. I do
believe you can do clean full installs using the upgrade version according
to windows secrets newsletter.
So far I really like the memory management, it is far better than Vista
was. I am learning how to get into the system and customize and tweak, but
so far I am impressed with the stability and performance, although in some
cases it is a bit slower than Vista, most though it is on par. I still have
to shake my head at the sheer size of both Vista and win 7...my install was
clean, and it came in around 8 GB without additional software installed, so
I trimmed some size by putting the pagefile on another partition, I image
drives/partitions regularly for backups, so I shut off "system restore"
feature. Got it down to around 6.5 GB before I installed AV and a few other
programs. It will be awhile before some companies get their apps coded for
win 7, but many vista and older apps work just fine so far other than
firewalls. be careful with firewall software, I do advise getting a good
software firewall, but it can cause havoc if not totally compatible with
win 7, just a warning.
Working well, hope this helps someone who is having any issues with display
cards. i think this will do much better than Vista did, although I did not
have any major problems with vista other than it was such a memory hog lol.
all my best
Jim
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I recently imaged my vista home prem. x32 and formatted and installed win 7
pro. It took me 3 tries to finally get it to work well. I have a Dell
Inspiron E1705 laptop I am working with and win 7 pro had no support for
the ATI mobility radeon x1400 video adapter. So I figured I would try one
of the MS built in drivers for ATI cards as it was assigning only a
standard VGA driver. So after some research and seeing what may be working
for others, I manually updated the device and tried 2 drivers, both
actually worked fine and was stable for me. The first was just the radeon
x1300 driver ( no mobility, but the desktop version) and then I tried the
x1600 and that is what I have been using.
Nice system, according to Dell the inspiron e1705 was not compatible, but I
got it to work fine after fighting with the video issues. I originally
tried the Dell vista ati driver and it worked, but on reboot screen went
black and had to shutdown several times. After the third format and
install, I figured out the video issue and the radeon x1600 (desktop driver
I assume) is working well. Base score on performance gives me a 3.6 which
is fine with me. I also ran direct x diagnostics (dxdiag.exe in system32
folder) and it showed no problems with the display.
I thought this to be kind of funny that this driver is working for me, but
I would not advise this for anyone else. my experience may not be good for
someone else depending on their system. Many are having display issues and
this is how I got mine working. Ati (amd) are not bothering with "older"
cards to update their drivers, but supposedly MS has one on their update
server, but as long as this is working, I will not chance using MS driver.
Hopefully I will find the proper driver down the road somewhere after this
has been out for awhile. I am a computer tech for about 11 years now and
always advise folks to wait for at least 6 months to a year before
upgrading. I do not advise "upgrades", as that is asking for trouble but
some folks prefer that as it is usually less expensive. clean installs are
best if you can do it, as long as you save your necessary data. I do
believe you can do clean full installs using the upgrade version according
to windows secrets newsletter.
So far I really like the memory management, it is far better than Vista
was. I am learning how to get into the system and customize and tweak, but
so far I am impressed with the stability and performance, although in some
cases it is a bit slower than Vista, most though it is on par. I still have
to shake my head at the sheer size of both Vista and win 7...my install was
clean, and it came in around 8 GB without additional software installed, so
I trimmed some size by putting the pagefile on another partition, I image
drives/partitions regularly for backups, so I shut off "system restore"
feature. Got it down to around 6.5 GB before I installed AV and a few other
programs. It will be awhile before some companies get their apps coded for
win 7, but many vista and older apps work just fine so far other than
firewalls. be careful with firewall software, I do advise getting a good
software firewall, but it can cause havoc if not totally compatible with
win 7, just a warning.
Working well, hope this helps someone who is having any issues with display
cards. i think this will do much better than Vista did, although I did not
have any major problems with vista other than it was such a memory hog lol.
all my best
Jim
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Leythos
You should have installed the Windows XP video card driver, Win 7jimmywin7 said:
permits it and it's worked fine on my laptop that doesn't have native
Vista/Win 7 video card drivers.