Internet Explorer 9

[Char Jackson]

That would be me alright, great unwashed. I had zero idea of how to do
what he was suggesting and doubt I would even try. I would be scared
that I would make a bad situation worse. This is why a couple times when
I had something FUBAR'd on a machine I would just use the restore to put
it back to factory. I know it is most likely every time I have done this
that there would have been a less drastic "fix", but I know this works.
When people start talking geek to me and telling me how simple it is all
I can think is no way. It was like that when Vista came out and my first
experience with it left such a bad taste in my mouth. I did not know at
the time that the problem was the machine I was setting up, not the OS.
So I tried Linux on an old desktop. Figured if it worked I was going to
try it on my laptop. I was assured it was so easy so I got a CD. It did
seem to work fine running it off the CD but slow. So I tried to install
it as a dual boot using a Partitioning software. I was told it was a
snap. I am sure it is for many. I made such a mess I had to use the
recovery discs on the machine. It would no longer even boot. Thankfully
I was talked into trying another Vista machine with the power needed to
run it. I was just about to order a laptop that had Linux factory
installed.

You guys crack me up

I think it all depends on how badly you wanted something, as to
what effort you'd put into it.

I have posted an entire FTP transaction, to help someone get
something they were looking for. It isn't that big a deal to
copy and paste an entire session from a cmd window. All a person
would have to do, is ask.

******* started an MSDOS (cmd) window, to do some FTP *******

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\MyUserName> cd \ <--- change directory command, to pick
a place to store the FTP file
to be transferred.

C:\>cd Downloads <--- Saved file ends up in C:\Downloads

C:\Downloads> ftp ftp.mozilla.org <--- launching the ftp interactive session

Connected to ftp.zlb-ftp.sj.mozilla.com.
220-
220- ftp.mozilla.org / archive.mozilla.org - files are in /pub/mozilla.org
220-
220- Notice: This server is the only place to obtain nightly builds and needs to
220- remain available to developers and testers. High bandwidth servers that
220- contain the public release files are available at ftp://releases.mozilla.org/
220- If you need to link to a public release, please link to the release server,
220- not here. Thanks!
220-
220- Attempts to download high traffic release files from this server will get a
220- "550 Permission denied." response.
220
User (ftp.zlb-ftp.sj.mozilla.comnone)): anonymous <--- enter account name.
"Anonymous" works if server
supports anonymous FTP,
common on public servers.
331 Please specify the password.

Password: (e-mail address removed) <--- It used to be polite to leave your real
email address, but the server won't necessarily
be checking this thoroughly. On at least one
public server, they really do check this and
go the extra mile, just to be annoying... YMMV
230-
230- ftp.mozilla.org / archive.mozilla.org - files are
230- in /pub/mozilla.org
230-
230- Notice: This server is the only place to obtain
230- nightly builds and needs to remain available to
230- developers and testers. High bandwidth servers that
230- contain the public release files are available at
230- ftp://releases.mozilla.org/
230-
230- If you need to link to a public release, please link
230- to the release server, not here. Thanks!
230-
230- Attempts to download high traffic release files from
230- this server will get a "550 Permission denied." response.
230-
230 Login successful.

ftp> cd /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.6.16/win32/en-US <--- You can also do this
cd /pub
cd mozilla.org
cd firefox
cd releases
cd 3.6.16
cd win32
cd en-US
if you want, but I know
where I'm going. Call it
cheating.

250 Directory successfully changed.

ftp> dir <--- Use this to list the remote
directory. Two files found.
We want the .exe one.

200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Here comes the directory listing.
-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8579448 Mar 19 16:27 Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe
-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 194 Mar 19 17:32 Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe.asc
226 Directory send OK.
ftp: 168 bytes received in 0.00Seconds 168000.00Kbytes/sec.

ftp> binary <---- binary mode, when transferring
most non-text stuff (ZIP, exe, jpeg...)
200 Switching to Binary mode.

ftp> get "Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe" <--- use double quotes,
if a path has spaces in it.

200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe (8579448 by
tes).
226 File send OK.
ftp: 8579448 bytes received in 29.58 Seconds 290.06 Kbytes/sec. <--- be patient,
watch your modem
light flashing.
ftp> quit
221 Goodbye. <--- interactive session ends, back to good ole MSDOS commands...

C:\Downloads> dir Firefox* <---- checking the file arrived OK

Volume in drive C is WINXP
Directory of C:\Downloads

04/24/2011 10:53 PM 8,579,448 Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe <--- Yup

C:\Downloads> exit <--- poof. Command window disappears before your very eyes.

*******

Two additional (and completely optional) commands I sometimes use are
'stat' and 'hash'. Stat prints a short status message, reminding me
which FTP server I'm connected to and whether I'm in ascii or binary
transfer mode, and hash prints a series of # characters during actual
file transfers to indicate the progress of the transfer.

 

[Alex Clayton]

That would be me alright, great unwashed. I had zero idea of how to do
what he was suggesting and doubt I would even try. I would be scared
that I would make a bad situation worse. This is why a couple times
when I had something FUBAR'd on a machine I would just use the restore
to put it back to factory. I know it is most likely every time I have
done this that there would have been a less drastic "fix", but I know
this works. When people start talking geek to me and telling me how
simple it is all I can think is no way. It was like that when Vista
came out and my first experience with it left such a bad taste in my
mouth. I did not know at the time that the problem was the machine I
was setting up, not the OS. So I tried Linux on an old desktop.
Figured if it worked I was going to try it on my laptop. I was assured
it was so easy so I got a CD. It did seem to work fine running it off
the CD but slow. So I tried to install it as a dual boot using a
Partitioning software. I was told it was a snap. I am sure it is for
many. I made such a mess I had to use the recovery discs on the
machine. It would no longer even boot. Thankfully I was talked into
trying another Vista machine with the power needed to run it. I was
just about to order a laptop that had Linux factory installed.

You guys crack me up

I think it all depends on how badly you wanted something, as to
what effort you'd put into it.

I have posted an entire FTP transaction, to help someone get
something they were looking for. It isn't that big a deal to
copy and paste an entire session from a cmd window. All a person
would have to do, is ask.

******* started an MSDOS (cmd) window, to do some FTP *******

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\MyUserName> cd \ <--- change directory
command, to pick
a place to store the FTP file
to be transferred.

C:\>cd Downloads <--- Saved file ends up in C:\Downloads

C:\Downloads> ftp ftp.mozilla.org <--- launching the ftp interactive
session

Connected to ftp.zlb-ftp.sj.mozilla.com.
220-
220- ftp.mozilla.org / archive.mozilla.org - files are in /pub/mozilla.org
220-
220- Notice: This server is the only place to obtain nightly builds and
needs to
220- remain available to developers and testers. High bandwidth servers
that
220- contain the public release files are available at
ftp://releases.mozilla.org/
220- If you need to link to a public release, please link to the release
server,
220- not here. Thanks!
220-
220- Attempts to download high traffic release files from this server
will get a
220- "550 Permission denied." response.
220
User (ftp.zlb-ftp.sj.mozilla.comnone)): anonymous <--- enter account
name.
"Anonymous" works if server
supports anonymous FTP,
common on public servers.
331 Please specify the password.

Password: (e-mail address removed) <--- It used to be polite to leave your real
email address, but the server won't necessarily
be checking this thoroughly. On at least one
public server, they really do check this and
go the extra mile, just to be annoying... YMMV
230-
230- ftp.mozilla.org / archive.mozilla.org - files are
230- in /pub/mozilla.org
230-
230- Notice: This server is the only place to obtain
230- nightly builds and needs to remain available to
230- developers and testers. High bandwidth servers that
230- contain the public release files are available at
230- ftp://releases.mozilla.org/
230-
230- If you need to link to a public release, please link
230- to the release server, not here. Thanks!
230-
230- Attempts to download high traffic release files from
230- this server will get a "550 Permission denied." response.
230-
230 Login successful.

ftp> cd /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/3.6.16/win32/en-US <--- You
can also do this
cd /pub
cd mozilla.org
cd firefox
cd releases
cd 3.6.16
cd win32
cd en-US
if you want, but I know
where I'm going. Call it
cheating.

250 Directory successfully changed.

ftp> dir <--- Use this to list the remote
directory. Two files found.
We want the .exe one.

200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Here comes the directory listing.
-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 8579448 Mar 19 16:27 Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe
-rw-r--r-- 1 ftp ftp 194 Mar 19 17:32 Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe.asc
226 Directory send OK.
ftp: 168 bytes received in 0.00Seconds 168000.00Kbytes/sec.

ftp> binary <---- binary mode, when transferring
most non-text stuff (ZIP, exe, jpeg...)
200 Switching to Binary mode.

ftp> get "Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe" <--- use double quotes,
if a path has spaces in it.

200 PORT command successful. Consider using PASV.
150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe
(8579448 by
tes).
226 File send OK.
ftp: 8579448 bytes received in 29.58 Seconds 290.06 Kbytes/sec. <--- be
patient,
watch your modem
light flashing.
ftp> quit
221 Goodbye. <--- interactive session ends, back to good ole MSDOS
commands...

C:\Downloads> dir Firefox* <---- checking the file arrived OK

Volume in drive C is WINXP
Directory of C:\Downloads

04/24/2011 10:53 PM 8,579,448 Firefox Setup 3.6.16.exe <--- Yup

C:\Downloads> exit <--- poof. Command window disappears before your very
eyes.

*******

Paul

Of course that is the bottom line, how bad. I have zero doubt I could
learn it, I don't want to have to.
My first "taste" of the net was when I met my wife. She had a 486 with
Win.95 and AOL. You turn it on, play with it for about :30, then maybe
it connects, then it crashes and you start all over. I spent a few hours
with her and finally said I just don't see the point. I have better
things to do with my day. Then one day in an electronics store I see a
WebTV set up. Sales guy turns it on, and in a couple minutes it's
running. I played with it for a little and said wrap one up I'll take
it. Wife was VERY pissed off at this "waste" of $200.00. Within a couple
weeks she was no longer using her computer as the web box was just too
easy. I used to get a LOT of flack from computer users about how I
should just spend 2K for a real computer. Now years later I did buy a
computer but by then they pretty much just worked. Next was Windows is
crap, you need to learn to use something that is hard. I chose to stay
with the one that I turn it on and it works.
Now it's you need to buy a few books and learn to be a geek. Why? I turn
my machine on, it works. I really don’t care why it works, I just want
to use it. Once in a while if it gets screwed up I found a way to push a
button and it goes back to the way it was when it was new. When my car
starts acting strange I could buy a few books, go to classes and learn
how to fix it. I don’t want to. I take it to my shop, leave it, come
back in a day or two and it’s fixed. I wish it had a button I could push
that would put it back to factory. To me the computer is a great tool
and a lot of fun. I just don’t care how it works enough to want to learn
to be a geek. Of course now that I would be lost without them, if I had
to learn or not have use of one I would but I don’t.

 

[Paul]

Of course that is the bottom line, how bad. I have zero doubt I could
learn it, I don't want to have to.
My first "taste" of the net was when I met my wife. She had a 486 with
Win.95 and AOL. You turn it on, play with it for about :30, then maybe
it connects, then it crashes and you start all over. I spent a few hours
with her and finally said I just don't see the point. I have better
things to do with my day. Then one day in an electronics store I see a
WebTV set up. Sales guy turns it on, and in a couple minutes it's
running. I played with it for a little and said wrap one up I'll take
it. Wife was VERY pissed off at this "waste" of $200.00. Within a couple
weeks she was no longer using her computer as the web box was just too
easy. I used to get a LOT of flack from computer users about how I
should just spend 2K for a real computer. Now years later I did buy a
computer but by then they pretty much just worked. Next was Windows is
crap, you need to learn to use something that is hard. I chose to stay
with the one that I turn it on and it works.
Now it's you need to buy a few books and learn to be a geek. Why? I turn
my machine on, it works. I really don’t care why it works, I just want
to use it. Once in a while if it gets screwed up I found a way to push a
button and it goes back to the way it was when it was new. When my car
starts acting strange I could buy a few books, go to classes and learn
how to fix it. I don’t want to. I take it to my shop, leave it, come
back in a day or two and it’s fixed. I wish it had a button I could push
that would put it back to factory. To me the computer is a great tool
and a lot of fun. I just don’t care how it works enough to want to learn
to be a geek. Of course now that I would be lost without them, if I had
to learn or not have use of one I would but I don’t.

The example I included, was a "trapped on a desert island" solution.

I was demonstrating, that Windows has an FTP client, a way of "bootstrapping"
yourself if you wished.

At one time, all we used to do, was FTP. There was no HTTP, no web browsers
at the time. Everyone who wanted to get stuff off the Internet, sooner or later
would be learning a few FTP commands. Sure, GUI versions of the FTP tools
existed, but they weren't consistently available on all platforms. The
example I just gave, in the past would have worked on practically anything.

You no longer have to learn that stuff now.

But it is possible to "box yourself into a corner", and it is during
those times, that you fall back to some of the older tricks.

*******

The "geeky" bit, is a compensation for things that don't work very well.
The better a system works, the less "geek" is needed.

At one time, system design worked by analogy. You had a trash bin,
a file cabinet, and those were "office analogies". I find with the
GUI elements now, they've lost all semblance of that. Just stuff
popping up, pulling sideways, and so on. A really bad one for that,
was KDE 4 in Linux, where they took a pretty nice interface, and
just... ruined it. It wasn't any faster than KDE 3, and it's
behavior was bizarre by comparison.

A good interface, should visually "explain itself". If an archaeologist
sat down in front of one of those "office analogy" computer interfaces
a few hundred years from now, they'd be able to continue to see the
office analogy. But if they were looking at the Windows 7 interface,
what would they conclude ? That the people of that era were very
confused ?

http://www.winsupersite.com/article/win7/windows-7-simple-vs-easy

*******

When it comes to my car, I do enough work on it first, to narrow down
what subsystem is the problem, so I have some idea how much it's going
to cost. I don't take stuff apart, because of my record of breaking
things For example, I've ruined a chain saw and a gas lawn mower,
and I try to stay away from gasoline in general. I can fix toasters
though

For some problems on the car, I don't bother the mechanic. I've learned,
for example, that mechanics hate electrical problems. They can spend an
hour trying to trace an electrical problem, and not make progress. For
example, the rear lights in the car were acting up, and the mechanic
didn't come and ask me first. It took me about five minutes to set
things right again, mainly because I knew a certain item was rusted
half through. And that made isolation easy. So for at least some
car problems, I'd rather not piss off the mechanic by forcing
him to spend time, and then come back and tell me he couldn't find it.
My brother trained as a mechanic, and he's the one who mentioned they
hate electrical problems.

To aid in my approach to cars, when the car was new, I bought the
shop manual from the dealer, for $150.00. It's been invaluable for
estimating how much trouble a repair is going to be. Even if I don't
understand everything I see in there. Just knowing how some of it is
bolted together, helps.

Paul

 

[Gordon]

This happened to one of my instructors. She took IE9 then found out it
was not yet working with Angel so she deleted it. She said then there
was no Windows browser.

Did she try Control panel-Uninstall a Program-Turn Windows Features on
and off and make sure that Internet Explorer was checked?

 

[Alex Clayton]

Did she try Control panel-Uninstall a Program-Turn Windows Features on
and off and make sure that Internet Explorer was checked?

I am not sure. When we go on the Angel learning web site where we do our
online classes it has links. It warns that FF 4 and IE9 are not yet
supported and has a link for each. It says the link will show you how to
remove and go back to the older version on the browser. I don't use IE
any more, and FF4 so far is working fine for me so I did not actually
click on the links to see what they say. My take is she either tried to
follow the one for IE and screwed up, or the instructions were bad. Like
I said before all this I had no idea you could remove the IE browser
from a Win. OS.

 

[Gordon]

Like I said before all this I had no idea you could remove the IE browser
from a Win. OS.

You can't post-XP. All you can do is remove access to it. that's where
the Control panel-Uninstall a Program-Turn Windows Features on or off
comes in.

 

[Emrys Davies]

Ireally like IE 9; particularly the feature of being able to drag
favourite websites to task bar. Ideal for likes of your local phone
directory and sites you visit frequently - and particularly brilliant for
web-mail such as hotmail,gmail etc. There's really no point in using your
ISP email address and a mail reader e.g. WLM, thunderbird etc. anymore.
Quicker to use your favourite freebie webmail and drag to task bar.

So, after all that dialogue, if I install IE9 and do not like it how, in
short and simple language, do I uninstall IE9 and revert to IE8 without much
hassle?

 

[KCB]

So, after all that dialogue, if I install IE9 and do not like it how, in
short and simple language, do I uninstall IE9 and revert to IE8 without
much hassle?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/how-do-i-install-or-uninstall-internet-explorer-9

 

[Leon Manfredi]

So, after all that dialogue, if I install IE9 and do not like it how, in
short and simple language, do I uninstall IE9 and revert to IE8 without much
hassle?

Did you notice as to when IE9, began to install, that it asked you to
wait, because it was creating a restore point. Check your restore
points to do a restore back to the date before IE9 install.
Be careful and be patient....

 

[Nil]

Did you notice as to when IE9, began to install, that it asked you
to wait, because it was creating a restore point. Check your
restore points to do a restore back to the date before IE9
install. Be careful and be patient....

It's never a good idea to use System Restore to uninstall applications.
That's not what it was designed for.

In this case, IE9 can easily and safely be uninstalled with the
Programs Control Panel applet.

 

[Emrys Davies]

It's never a good idea to use System Restore to uninstall applications.
That's not what it was designed for.

In this case, IE9 can easily and safely be uninstalled with the
Programs Control Panel applet.

Thanks everyone. I now have the answer which I was seeking. I shall remain
with IE8, but should I install IE9 and do not like it I now know how to
revert to IE8.

 

[Leon Manfredi]

Thanks everyone. I now have the answer which I was seeking. I shall remain
with IE8, but should I install IE9 and do not like it I now know how to
revert to IE8.