I can't get permission....

[JimBob]

I didn't see a file path in the small pop-up window that asks for
permission.


Sorry, I figured everyone who has W-7 would see that "permission" window
as soon as they tried to install software, move or delete a file.

Hi,
I understand how that can be a little confusing. All it's really trying to
tell you is you need to be an administrator or have administrator permission
for that particular action.

 

[Seth]

I didn't see a file path in the small pop-up window that asks for
permission.

The path that you're attempting to manipulate a file in. That won't show in
the popup. Where you trying to manipulate a file in C:\Windows\System32?

Sorry, I figured everyone who has W-7 would see that "permission" window
as soon as they tried to install software, move or delete a file.

They are different depending on the operation attempted and location you
attempted it in. You don't want to share that, all you get is guesses that
may or may not apply to what you are trying to do.

 

[Valorie *~~]

Hi,
I understand how that can be a little confusing. All it's really trying to
tell you is you need to be an administrator or have administrator
permission for that particular action.

I am the administrator but it doesn't seem to make a difference when I want
to delete or move something. Sometimes I can drag a file to the desktop,
then to the recycle bin.

 

[Valorie *~~]

The path that you're attempting to manipulate a file in. That won't show
in the popup. Where you trying to manipulate a file in
C:\Windows\System32? Somewhere under C:\Users\<username>\AppData ? Where?

No files/folders under windows or system32. I don't store things there.
All were in Documents or in folders under my PC's name on the tree. Private
folders and files of pictures, text files or downloaded unexecuted software.

They are different depending on the operation attempted and location you
attempted it in. You don't want to share that, all you get is guesses
that may or may not apply to what you are trying to do.

My mp3s are in the Music folder. Note: The name Minnie, the PC's name,
shows up in two places on the WE tree. I put nothing under AppData or
Local. Downloaded software ended up under Libraries. I have no idea what
"Libaries" is supposed to be. Pictues are in the Pictures folder.

 

[Valorie *~~]

If you don't like it, and it's obvious you don't, then be smart (if
possible) and go back to XP.

Like so many other people I've met online and know in person, I should have
ordered new PCs with XP already in stalled. People are getting wise to MS
and what's going on with it's software. Negative changes and window
dressing..... and a new name = $$$$. That the name of the M$ game.

 

[Valorie *~~]

Yes, you did, and do.

OK. If it has it I never saw a pop-up asking for permission for anything.
The man who set this Vista PC up for me must have disabled it.

 

[Roy Smith]

Unfortunately the hack from that site does not include exe files.
(I'll see if I've still got a reg file that does.)

Or you can just get the Ultimate Windows Tweaker here:

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-v2-a-tweak-ui-for-windows-7-vista

This adds the take ownership menu item as well as a lot of other tweaks
to Windows 7.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.4
Friday, October 15, 2010 2:35:09 PM

 

[Dave-UK]

Or you can just get the Ultimate Windows Tweaker here:

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/ultimate-windows-tweaker-v2-a-tweak-ui-for-windows-7-vista

This adds the take ownership menu item as well as a lot of other tweaks to Windows 7.

I've just downloaded that and tried it.
It's even worse than the reg hack. It only does folders, not files.
And definitely no exe files.

 

[Dave-UK]

I've just downloaded that and tried it.
It's even worse than the reg hack. It only does folders, not files.
And definitely no exe files.

As the Ultimate Windows Tweaker only transfers ownership to folders
I thought I could create a folder and put any file inside to be processed.
Well that doesn't work because the Ultimate Windows Tweaker does not
recurse inside folders. The command has the /r switch missing:

"cmd.exe /c takeown /f "%1" && icacls "%1" /grant administrators:F"
It should be:
"cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" /r /d y && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F /t"

The Ultimate Windows Tweaker also has Take Ownership applied to drives, and
that doesn't work either.

I've wrapped up the various reg files into a small program
to take ownership of all file types and all files in a folder:
www.megaupload.com/?d=2MOPCTRJ

If you prefer editing the registry the following
reg file will also do all files and folders recursively.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\takeownership]
@="Take ownership"
"HasLUAShield"=""
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shell\takeownership\command]
@="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F"
"IsolatedCommand"="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shell\takeownership]
@="Take ownership"
"HasLUAShield"=""
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shell\takeownership\command]
@="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F"
"IsolatedCommand"="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\dllfile\shell\takeownership]
@="Take ownership"
"HasLUAShield"=""
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\dllfile\shell\takeownership\command]
@="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F"
"IsolatedCommand"="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F"

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\takeownership]
@="Take ownership"
"HasLUAShield"=""
"NoWorkingDirectory"=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Directory\shell\takeownership\command]
@="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" /r /d y && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F /t"
"IsolatedCommand"="cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" /r /d y && icacls \"%1\" /grant administrators:F /t"

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[JimBob]

I am the administrator but it doesn't seem to make a difference when I
want to delete or move something. Sometimes I can drag a file to the
desktop, then to the recycle bin.

I'm not an expert on this but as I understand it if you create an
administrator account for yourself, in Win 7, it does not have the same
permissions as an administrator account in XP. To gain full control you need
to activate the built in administrator account which is not activated by
default. I can't remember where I gleaned this info but if you do a search
you should be able to find it. Good luck.

 

[Seth]

No files/folders under windows or system32. I don't store things there.
All were in Documents or in folders under my PC's name on the tree.
Private folders and files of pictures, text files or downloaded unexecuted
software.



My mp3s are in the Music folder. Note: The name Minnie, the PC's name,
shows up in two places on the WE tree. I put nothing under AppData or
Local. Downloaded software ended up under Libraries. I have no idea what
"Libaries" is supposed to be. Pictues are in the Pictures folder.

Then its more than likely NTFS permissions that are giving you the issue and
not anything specific to Win7 (or even Vista) in regards to UAC. Maybe an
exact quote on the error you are getting but it sounds like when you copied
the data from an NTFS source (prior Win2000, XP, etc...) operating system
the files had specific permissions or ownership on them that were unique to
the prior machine. With no equivalent account on the new machine (being
named the same isn't sufficient as they use their own local security
database) there was a permission mismatch and that's why you are getting
messages.

Simply go to the C:\Users\<username> folder where you put everything into.
For each of the data folders (Video, Documents, Music, etc...), while logged
in with your administrative level account (despite what many have said, the
actual 'Administrator' account is not needed and remains disabled on all the
machines I manage)...
- Right click on folder in question and choose properties
- Click the security tab
- Click the Advanced button
- Click the Owner tab
- Click the Edit button
- Click on your user name (or select the Administrators group ) in the
"Change owner to" box
- Turn on the check mark for "Replace owner on sub...
- Click OK and wait while it resets all the files.
- OK your way out of the menus and repeat for each top level folder.

 

[Seth]

Like so many other people I've met online and know in person, I should
have ordered new PCs with XP already in stalled. People are getting wise
to MS and what's going on with it's software. Negative changes and window
dressing..... and a new name = $$$$. That the name of the M$ game.

You might not have had the permission issue on early OEM XP builds as many
system builder back then were still formatting the drive using the FAT32
file system which didn't support file level permissions. The newer OSs
insist on NTFS for large drives and even later on most people were
installing XP on NTFS formatted drives.

FAT32 = no file level security
NTFS = file level security built in

So on an XP machine you may not have seen the security tabs (and issues)
depending on how your drive was formatted.

 

[Valorie *~~]

I'm not an expert on this but as I understand it if you create an
administrator account for yourself, in Win 7, it does not have the same
permissions as an administrator account in XP. To gain full control you
need to activate the built in administrator account which is not activated
by default. I can't remember where I gleaned this info but if you do a
search you should be able to find it. Good luck.

Thank you. I'll do more Googling.

We've already decided the next PCs we get will be MACs. If this is what
happens with MS OSs now, I would hate to see what comes down the pike after
W-7. We'll probably all have to either be "geeks" to delete a file or call
MS for permission. :-D

 

[Valorie *~~]

Then its more than likely NTFS permissions that are giving you the issue
and not anything specific to Win7 (or even Vista) in regards to UAC.
Maybe an exact quote on the error you are getting but it sounds like when
you copied the data from an NTFS source (prior Win2000, XP, etc...)
operating system the files had specific permissions or ownership on them
that were unique to the prior machine. With no equivalent account on the
new machine (being named the same isn't sufficient as they use their own
local security database) there was a permission mismatch and that's why
you are getting messages.

Simply go to the C:\Users\<username> folder where you put everything into.
For each of the data folders (Video, Documents, Music, etc...), while
logged in with your administrative level account (despite what many have
said, the actual 'Administrator' account is not needed and remains
disabled on all the machines I manage)...
- Right click on folder in question and choose properties
- Click the security tab
- Click the Advanced button
- Click the Owner tab
- Click the Edit button
- Click on your user name (or select the Administrators group ) in the
"Change owner to" box
- Turn on the check mark for "Replace owner on sub...
- Click OK and wait while it resets all the files.
- OK your way out of the menus and repeat for each top level folder.

This worked. Thank you. I printed it out and taped it to the wall in the
office. ))

 

[Valorie *~~]

You are either badly mistaken or very ill-informed if you think that
Windows 7 is merely XP with Windows dressing.

Windows 7 is far superior to XP in every sense of the word.

In what way? When we brought the XP PCs home we were set up and online by
that evening. Files could be moved and deleted at will. No amount of added
software made it unstable. Everything worked fine right out of the box with
no calls to tech support or looking for NGs like these.

So far we have W-7 here since last month and we're still unable to get it to
detect the modem although it can communicate with it. Calls to HP and Zoom
tech support did not get W-7 online with the dial-up connection. They could
not get W-7 to "detect" the modem. The same "Windows cannot detect a modem"
error comes up every time even going step-by-step with the techs. This
makes W-7 useless when the Satellite is down due to rain or snow, sometimes
even heavy cloud cover. With XP we simply clicked on Peoplepc and were
online with dial-up in seconds.

Also, the curser on W-7 and one one of the Vista PCs reverts to default
every time we shut it off at night. It will not hold the cursor setting
like the XP PCs do. And now this PC with Vista has more problems with the
cursor not working on links. I can click on a link on a webpage and nothing
happens. Nothing like this with the XP PCs over the years. A system
restore made this desktop Vista even worse. Now Firefox freezes for no
reason when some links are clicked on. There's a weird little square that
goes on and off under the cursor arrow. The busy and working in background
icons no longer work. Just the white arrow with the flashing box under it.
This PC is becoming unusable. And no, no adware, scumware, worms or viruses
can be found on any of these PCs. We're now looking at System RECOVERY or
even a reformat and reinstallation of the OSs on the Vista PCs. Never had
to do that on the old still working XPs. The snip tool and how Vista and
W-7 handle images are the only improvements we can see. W-7 doesn't even
come with a email/Usenet client anymore. What's with that? MS couldn't toss
in WM or an updated version of OE on W-7? HP added WLM. As you know I
moved WM from Vista to W-7 as WLM was awful with bells and whistles that are
useless and WLM is a real pain when you have multi-email addresses as we do.

 

[Valorie *~~]

You might not have had the permission issue on early OEM XP builds as many
system builder back then were still formatting the drive using the FAT32
file system which didn't support file level permissions. The newer OSs
insist on NTFS for large drives and even later on most people were
installing XP on NTFS formatted drives.

FAT32 = no file level security
NTFS = file level security built in

So on an XP machine you may not have seen the security tabs (and issues)
depending on how your drive was formatted.

This is true. There was never a problem moving or deleting files. Since
we're all family here security was not an issue. As for security from
outside... we have the firewall, anti-virus software, run anti-ad/scumware
regularly, have WindowsDefender etc.

 

[Seth]

This worked. Thank you. I printed it out and taped it to the wall in the
office. ))

Once you gave the correct information the answer was easy...

 

[Seth]

This is true. There was never a problem moving or deleting files. Since
we're all family here security was not an issue. As for security from
outside... we have the firewall, anti-virus software, run anti-ad/scumware
regularly, have WindowsDefender etc.

Remember, just because you don't think you need security doesn't mean it
shouldn't be there. Malware could be running the context of another user
and locked down NTFS file permissions could be the difference between
personal information being sent out or not.

 

[NQ]

So far we have W-7 here since last month and we're still unable to get
it to detect the modem although it can communicate with it. Calls to HP
and Zoom tech support did not get W-7 online with the dial-up
connection. They could not get W-7 to "detect" the modem. The same
"Windows cannot detect a modem" error comes up every time even going
step-by-step with the techs. This makes W-7 useless when the Satellite
is down due to rain or snow, sometimes even heavy cloud cover. With XP
we simply clicked on Peoplepc and were online with dial-up in seconds.

I'm confused by this statement that you've made because in the "Both
laptop &
desktop Vista & W7" thread you stated-

"Both laptop and desktop Vista PCs, including the new W-7 will no longer
work with dial-up. What MS update did this to our 3 PCs? Yes, it still
works on XP but we don't use the old XP PC anymore. How do we get
dial-up back on Vista and W-7?"


So are you now stating that you've had a problem getting online with a
dialup modem since the beginning. If so why state in the other thread
that your modem problem just started,what's the reason for misleading us
about when your dialup problem started?

 

[Valorie *~~]

As the Ultimate Windows Tweaker only transfers ownership to folders
I thought I could create a folder and put any file inside to be processed.
Well that doesn't work because the Ultimate Windows Tweaker does not
recurse inside folders. The command has the /r switch missing:

"cmd.exe /c takeown /f "%1" && icacls "%1" /grant administrators:F"
It should be:
"cmd.exe /c takeown /f \"%1\" /r /d y && icacls \"%1\" /grant
administrators:F /t"

The Ultimate Windows Tweaker also has Take Ownership applied to drives,
and
that doesn't work either.

I've wrapped up the various reg files into a small program
to take ownership of all file types and all files in a folder:
www.megaupload.com/?d=2MOPCTRJ

I went there and got this:

"Filename: Ownership.zip
File description: Take ownership x86 and x64
File size: 780.89 KB
The file you are trying to access is temporarily unavailable."

I'll try again later.