How do MS-Win users do this?

[Stan Brown]

Not for me, it doesn't. Word Wrap is view only, at least on Windows XP.

And in Windows 7.

 

[choro]

That explains so why I like you so much. As I never wanted to be a
programmer at all. But I was an electronic engineer who fell into
designing computers in the 70's and 80's. Not consumer grade stuff, but
for the military and then later for the professional market.

But all of the famous people like Gary Kildall, Paul Allen, Steve Jobs,
Steve Woz, and heaven forbid even Bill Gates were doing was just child's
play compared to what I was doing. But all I got was a paycheck.

And back then before a programmer could fully understand your hardware,
it was far easier to tackle the software and to do it yourself. You know
for testing purposes at least. I got better and better at it of course.
And I didn't care how sloppy my programming was, just so I could
understand it was all that mattered.

I was really picky about bugs though. As I could see bugs appearing
while I was programming. So I could fix them right away. I only have one
regard that I knew of if somebody used one program right at the start
just seconds before midnight, one varaible would be off by one day. I
let that one slide as I thought nobody would do that anyway. And to my
knowledge nobody ever did. ;-) But I lost sleep over that one. :-(

I DO believe you Bill. Pay no attention to these sour-grapers here!
-- choro

 

[BillW50]

In

Wow, you were amazing, even if you do say so yourself.

No it was an amazing time back then. And we were all amazing! Sending
men to the moon and all. And the only people that could use computers
were the computer elite. But times are different now. We can't send
anybody to the moon anymore and the power of computers have been
released to the masses.

 

[DanS]

Now wait a second! I know I am not making this up. Now I
need to know why it isn't working for me.

Like I said......you're a 2%'er.

You don't f'up this stuff purposely. It just "happens".

This is another _perfect_ example.

You have this problem no one's ever reported with Notepad, yet you believe it's a
widespread notepad problem that everyone else suffers from (but in reality, have never
even heard before).

 

[BillW50]

In

Like I said......you're a 2%'er.

You don't f'up this stuff purposely. It just "happens".

This is another _perfect_ example.

You have this problem no one's ever reported with Notepad, yet you
believe it's a widespread notepad problem that everyone else suffers
from (but in reality, have never even heard before).

Better check again. I did an Internet search and it affects everybody
who is using XP, Vista, and Windows 7. Although it affects the display
version and not the saved file. When I first found this bug, I quit
using Notepad's word wrap and the problem went away. And yes, those who
finds this bug is surprised that few ever heard of this bug before.

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/162087-notepad-wordwrap-bug-double-spacing.html

http://bavih.blogspot.com/2008/07/notepad-bug.html

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, DanS

You have this problem no one's ever reported with Notepad, yet you
believe it's a
widespread notepad problem that everyone else suffers from (but in
reality, have never
even heard before).

I certainly encountered it with old Notepads ('95 and probably '98); I
got into the habit of loading an alternative (usually NotePad+), so
don't know if it's a problem with XP's notepad. There's the size
limitation too, which _has_ gone away (or at least up?) in XP. I don't
have a 7 machine to hand, but since it seems lots of people _didn't_
have the wraps-being-saved problem in XP, one would hope that the fix
was maintained into the 7 version.

 

[Stan Brown]

In

[quoted text muted]

You have this problem no one's ever reported with Notepad, yet you
believe it's a widespread notepad problem that everyone else suffers
from (but in reality, have never even heard before).

Better check again. I did an Internet search and it affects everybody
who is using XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

Either you're *really* inattentive, or you're ... well, "lying" is
such an ugly word, so let's say "knowingly making an inaccurate
statement".

Your statement that "if affects everybody" is inconsistent with the
fact that multiple people have posted right here that Word Wrap is
view only in Windows XP and Windows 7.

 

[BillW50]

In

In

[quoted text muted]

You have this problem no one's ever reported with Notepad, yet you
believe it's a widespread notepad problem that everyone else suffers
from (but in reality, have never even heard before).

Better check again. I did an Internet search and it affects everybody
who is using XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

Either you're *really* inattentive, or you're ... well, "lying" is
such an ugly word, so let's say "knowingly making an inaccurate
statement".

Your statement that "if affects everybody" is inconsistent with the
fact that multiple people have posted right here that Word Wrap is
view only in Windows XP and Windows 7.

What do you mean Dan? When you see your 5282 line text file (which had
taken years to create) suddenly seeing word wrap adding CR/CR/LF to your
document after a save, you freak-out a bit. And it also affects copy and
paste too. And if you are not careful, you can have your document
formatting changed.

And the meaning it affects everybody, means everybody has Notepad with
this bug in it. Are you really that inapt? Or are you "knowingly making
an inaccurate statement"?

 

[DanS]

In


Better check again. I did an Internet search and it affects
everybody who is using XP, Vista, and Windows 7. Although
it affects the display version and not the saved file. When
I first found this bug, I quit using Notepad's word wrap
and the problem went away. And yes, those who finds this
bug is surprised that few ever heard of this bug before.

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/162087-notepad
-wordwrap-bug-double-spacing.html

http://bavih.blogspot.com/2008/07/notepad-bug.html

And...if it's not *saved that way*, as reported, how do you come up with.....

........"Not for me, Notepad destroyed many of my file formatting because of forgetting to
turn wrap off before saving. I never tried it under Windows 7, but XP and under it did."

Once and for all.......you are saying that......

....saving a file w/Notepad screws it up if it's saved with word-wrapping turned on?

(...so subsequently, when you re-open the file, either in Notepad or in something else,
you need to fix the formatting)

Even though, both of your cites as proof say...

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/162087-notepad-wordwrap-bug-
double-spacing.html :

"If word wrap is on when you save, Notepad inserts CR CR LF characters at each
wrap point in the display window (but not in the saved file)."

....and..

http://bavih.blogspot.com/2008/07/notepad-bug.html :

"The CR CR LF characters are only in Notepad's display window. The CR CR LF
characters were not saved in the text file. The long wrapped lines were saved
unbroken."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(There's actually another bug I've found in Notepad recently myself......while Notepad
will properly "see" a <cr><lf>, it does not "see" a <lf><cr>, and subsequently only
shows a double box graphic where it occurs interpreting them as unprintable ascii
characters, instead of line feeding and carriage returning.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But I digress....word-wrap was the issue......

I'm not going back and forth with you with this.

Either yes or no.

You are saying this bug does indeed save files like this?

YES or NO.

(No other answer is acceptable.)

(And stop writing my name when you reply...it feels creepy.)

(Like the "old man parked in front of the elementary school in his van" creepy.)

 

[DanS]

In

In
DanS wrote:
[quoted text muted]

You have this problem no one's ever reported with
Notepad, yet you believe it's a widespread notepad
problem that everyone else suffers from (but in reality,
have never even heard before).

Better check again. I did an Internet search and it
affects everybody who is using XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

Either you're *really* inattentive, or you're ... well,
"lying" is such an ugly word, so let's say "knowingly
making an inaccurate statement".

Your statement that "if affects everybody" is inconsistent
with the fact that multiple people have posted right here
that Word Wrap is view only in Windows XP and Windows 7.

What do you mean Dan?

I bet you *Stan*, to whom you replied....

.....is also feeling a little creeped out right now.

 

[BillW50]

In

And...if it's not *saved that way*, as reported, how do you come up
with.....

......."Not for me, Notepad destroyed many of my file formatting
because of forgetting to turn wrap off before saving. I never tried
it under Windows 7, but XP and under it did."

Once and for all.......you are saying that......

...saving a file w/Notepad screws it up if it's saved with
word-wrapping turned on?

(...so subsequently, when you re-open the file, either in Notepad or
in something else, you need to fix the formatting)

Even though, both of your cites as proof say...

http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/162087-notepad-wordwrap-bug-
double-spacing.html :

"If word wrap is on when you save, Notepad inserts CR CR LF
characters at each
wrap point in the display window (but not in the saved file)."

...and..

http://bavih.blogspot.com/2008/07/notepad-bug.html :

"The CR CR LF characters are only in Notepad's display window. The CR
CR LF
characters were not saved in the text file. The long wrapped lines
were saved
unbroken."

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(There's actually another bug I've found in Notepad recently
myself......while Notepad will properly "see" a <cr><lf>, it does not
"see" a <lf><cr>, and subsequently only shows a double box graphic
where it occurs interpreting them as unprintable ascii characters,
instead of line feeding and carriage returning.)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

But I digress....word-wrap was the issue......

I'm not going back and forth with you with this.

Either yes or no.

You are saying this bug does indeed save files like this?

YES or NO.

(No other answer is acceptable.)

(And stop writing my name when you reply...it feels creepy.)

(Like the "old man parked in front of the elementary school in his
van" creepy.)

I can't believe you are so inept! Here let me hold your hand for you. I
routinely in the past used Notepad as a text scratchpad (not anymore at
least). And I learned to save often. So I copy and paste to and from
many times. And after a save, the formatting is now changed and
destroyed some of my files between copying and pasting. Now do you
understand?

Hell here is what Notepad did to my paragraph above:

I can't believe you are so

inept! Here let me hold your

hand for you. I routinely in

the past used Notepad as a

text scratchpad (not anymore

at least). And I learned to

save often. So I copy and

paste to and from many times.

And after a save, the

formatting is now changed and

destroyed some of my files

between copying and pasting.

Now do you understand?

 

[mechanic]

Can you describe the ways in which you find Vim superior to
Notepad?

Yes, and to take a simple non-programming example I use Vim as the
standard editor in my email client (Alpine). It's easy in Vim to
reformat paragraphs, take account of quoted reply text (<), spell
check, and so on, things you can't do in notepad. OK the spell check
uses another program but it's all seamless. If I wanted to I could
easily set Vim to display both the first few lines and lines from,
say, number 100 on the same screen.

 

[Ken Blake]

Yes, and to take a simple non-programming example I use Vim as the
standard editor in my email client (Alpine). It's easy in Vim to
reformat paragraphs, take account of quoted reply text (<), spell
check, and so on, things you can't do in notepad. OK the spell check
uses another program but it's all seamless. If I wanted to I could
easily set Vim to display both the first few lines and lines from,
say, number 100 on the same screen.

OK, thanks.

 

[Stan Brown]

In

On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:01:05 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
In
DanS wrote:
[quoted text muted]

You have this problem no one's ever reported with
Notepad, yet you believe it's a widespread notepad
problem that everyone else suffers from (but in reality,
have never even heard before).

Better check again. I did an Internet search and it
affects everybody who is using XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

Either you're *really* inattentive, or you're ... well,
"lying" is such an ugly word, so let's say "knowingly
making an inaccurate statement".

Your statement that "if affects everybody" is inconsistent
with the fact that multiple people have posted right here
that Word Wrap is view only in Windows XP and Windows 7.

What do you mean Dan?

I bet you *Stan*, to whom you replied....

....is also feeling a little creeped out right now.

No, just irritated at his militant refusal to learn anything, or even
really read the replies.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

Oh please. Windows includes many application programs. Indeed, it
seems to be part of Microsoft's strategy to obscure the difference
between an operating system and an application program.

Would you have been happier if I had said "the application that is
included with native Windows, called Notepad"?

Or you could have just written "Notepad is not..."

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

In

Better check again. I did an Internet search and it affects everybody who is
using XP, Vista, and Windows 7. Although it affects the display version and
not the saved file. When I first found this bug, I quit using Notepad's word
wrap and the problem went away. And yes, those who finds this bug is
surprised that few ever heard of this bug before.

http://bavih.blogspot.com/2008/07/notepad-bug.html

You failed to notice that in the first link, the poster said "when I
copy-paste some lines of text from Notepad into Wordpad".

That is to be expected, since you are copying text *from the display*.
It is *not* the same as changing formatting when saving a file...

BTW, when I reported that I did an experiment that shows that I don't
have this problem, I did it with Notepad in Windows 7, and I did the
experiment *after* reading your post...

I didn't bother looking at your second URL, so I won't comment on it.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

In message <[email protected]>, DanS

I certainly encountered it with old Notepads ('95 and probably '98); I got
into the habit of loading an alternative (usually NotePad+), so don't know if
it's a problem with XP's notepad. There's the size limitation too, which
_has_ gone away (or at least up?) in XP. I don't have a 7 machine to hand,
but since it seems lots of people _didn't_ have the wraps-being-saved problem
in XP, one would hope that the fix was maintained into the 7 version.

Win 7 here. No reformatting problem here. This is by actual experiment
after reading BillW50's first complaint...

 

[KCB]

In Stan Brown wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:01:05 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
In
DanS wrote:
[quoted text muted]

You have this problem no one's ever reported with
Notepad, yet you believe it's a widespread notepad
problem that everyone else suffers from (but in reality,
have never even heard before).

Better check again. I did an Internet search and it
affects everybody who is using XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

Either you're *really* inattentive, or you're ... well,
"lying" is such an ugly word, so let's say "knowingly
making an inaccurate statement".

Your statement that "if affects everybody" is inconsistent
with the fact that multiple people have posted right here
that Word Wrap is view only in Windows XP and Windows 7.

What do you mean Dan?

I bet you *Stan*, to whom you replied....

....is also feeling a little creeped out right now.

No, just irritated at his militant refusal to learn anything, or even
really read the replies.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that so many people can still see his
posts

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

In Stan Brown wrote:
On Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:01:05 -0600, BillW50 wrote:
In
DanS wrote:
[quoted text muted]

You have this problem no one's ever reported with
Notepad, yet you believe it's a widespread notepad
problem that everyone else suffers from (but in reality,
have never even heard before).

Better check again. I did an Internet search and it
affects everybody who is using XP, Vista, and Windows 7.

Either you're *really* inattentive, or you're ... well,
"lying" is such an ugly word, so let's say "knowingly
making an inaccurate statement".

Your statement that "if affects everybody" is inconsistent
with the fact that multiple people have posted right here
that Word Wrap is view only in Windows XP and Windows 7.

What do you mean Dan?

I bet you *Stan*, to whom you replied....

....is also feeling a little creeped out right now.

No, just irritated at his militant refusal to learn anything, or even
really read the replies.

I can't wrap my head around the fact that so many people can still see his
posts

We're on the wrong side of the sado-masochistic axis...

 

[DanS]

In


I can't believe you are so inept! Here let me hold your
hand for you. I routinely in the past used Notepad as a
text scratchpad (not anymore at least). And I learned to
save often. So I copy and paste to and from many times. And
after a save, the formatting is now changed and destroyed
some of my files between copying and pasting. Now do you
understand?

Yes, I understand that you apparently don't look at anything you copy-and-paste into
another program before saving it.

I also understand that you will typically make some claim about something, in a very
general way, and then as you are challenged about it, you keep adding more and more
details in hopes of being right.