Acer 5250-BZ853

[Allen Drake]

My solution for packed hair ect is a small air nozzle on my air compressor.
done properly it does no damage and gets rid of the build up.

What size and make is your compressor. I was thinking of attaching
connections to an air ball to use a nozzle. I'd have to cut off that
tire inflating end first obviously.

 

[Ken Blake]

Try typing computer vacuum cleaners into Google. There are plenty and
plenty of reviews.

Thanks. I googled it yesterday, and found lots of ads and some
reviews. But what I had hoped to find and didn't find was an article
by an *expert*, not necessarily about any particular computer vacuum
cleaner, but discussing the effectiveness and risk (or lack or risk)
of using any such machine.

The number things that can be most effective are
preventative. SHCS is the number one cause of congestive computer
buildup. Second hand cigarette smoke will cause that dust to stick.

Fortunately there's no cigarette smoke in our house, second hand or
not. I stopped smoking 44 years ago, and we don't permit any guests to
smoke here.

 

[Allen Drake]

Thanks. I googled it yesterday, and found lots of ads and some
reviews. But what I had hoped to find and didn't find was an article
by an *expert*, not necessarily about any particular computer vacuum
cleaner, but discussing the effectiveness and risk (or lack or risk)
of using any such machine.

I don't think it's all that complicated so I wouldn't hold my breath
looking for an "Expert". You could make your own and become an expert
yourself I love inventing little gadgets and such. You could mount
small plastic tubes at several points throughout your system and
connect a vacuum pump.

Fortunately there's no cigarette smoke in our house, second hand or
not. I stopped smoking 44 years ago, and we don't permit any guests to
smoke here.

Same here. I don't quite remember just how many years it was for me
but I can say I never smoked in my adult life and I will be 65 in
July.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <[email protected]>, Ken Blake

Yes, I've seen those too. How effective they are at eliminating
static, I don't know. But if you, or anyone else, could point me to a
web site that discusses their effectiveness, I'd like to read more
about it.

If they are effective, and not *too* expensive, I would consider
buying one. Do you remember what prices you saw?

No, but I've had a quick look: the prices are even more eye-watering
than I remembered:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/work-area/7199879/

That has some .pdf files which might say something useful (I haven't
looked).

 

[charlie]

Try typing computer vacuum cleaners into Google. There are plenty and
plenty of reviews. The number things that can be most effective are
preventative. SHCS is the number one cause of congestive computer
buildup. Second hand cigarette smoke will cause that dust to stick.
Keep the air in the room as dust free by adding cheap solutions.

http://www.americanallergysupply.com/box-fan-air-cleaner.htm

I use several of these that I made myself. Fan,filter,tape. I have
four running at all times in my computer room and can say they work
better then any commercial filter on the market.

Vacuum cleaners are made for computer and other cleaning of even powered
up electronic equipment. The chief differences are carbon or another
semi conductive material added to the plastic, and spark suppression
capacitors on the brushes, as well as anti static bags.

Long ago, I got into a big hassle over this type of specialty vacuum
cleaners.
It had to do with (of all things) the paper bags. Seems that the GSA
rotated suppliers and wanted to substitute vacuum cleaners that were the
household type. When we finally got it through their heads that the
vacuum cleaners were special purpose, naturally the contract would be
expired, the order cancelled, and we'd have to start the process all
over again. We had something like ten thousand bags in inventory for the
original vacuum cleaners. (Antistatic bags, to boot!)

Finally, we had a stack of paper about a foot high documenting our
efforts, and a GSA exec wandered by on a tour, asking about problems.
Shortly after we showed the tour group the stack of paper, a dozen of
the correct vacuum cleaners showed up, current contract or not. We
didn't even get a bill!.

So yes, small shoulder carry vacuum cleaners suitable for computer use
are made. The price those days was almost twice that of a similar model
without the anti static and noise suppression options. About $100
instead of $59.95

 

[Allen Drake]

Vacuum cleaners are made for computer and other cleaning of even powered
up electronic equipment. The chief differences are carbon or another
semi conductive material added to the plastic, and spark suppression
capacitors on the brushes, as well as anti static bags.

It's those damn motors that run wide open all the time and generate
static and noise that I hate. The computer is nothing but a vacuum
cleaner with hardware stuffed inside.

I don't own a household vacuum cleaner that uses bags.Right or wrong
for some reason I figured the new bagless ones were better.

Long ago, I got into a big hassle over this type of specialty vacuum
cleaners.
It had to do with (of all things) the paper bags. Seems that the GSA
rotated suppliers and wanted to substitute vacuum cleaners that were the
household type. When we finally got it through their heads that the
vacuum cleaners were special purpose, naturally the contract would be
expired, the order cancelled, and we'd have to start the process all
over again. We had something like ten thousand bags in inventory for the
original vacuum cleaners. (Antistatic bags, to boot!)

SIOW you got stuck holding the bag You got reamed

Finally, we had a stack of paper about a foot high documenting our
efforts, and a GSA exec wandered by on a tour, asking about problems.
Shortly after we showed the tour group the stack of paper, a dozen of
the correct vacuum cleaners showed up, current contract or not. We
didn't even get a bill!.

Not a bad ending-Good.

So yes, small shoulder carry vacuum cleaners suitable for computer use
are made. The price those days was almost twice that of a similar model
without the anti static and noise suppression options. About $100
instead of $59.95

Probably not enough competition. There are countless numbers of HH
VCs on the market.

 

[Ken Blake]

I don't own a household vacuum cleaner that uses bags.Right or wrong
for some reason I figured the new bagless ones were better.

I've often seen ads for vacuum cleaners in which the seller proudly
states that they are bagless. I've never understood that pride. To me,
it seems that not having a bag that you can throw away with the
collected dirt means that emptying the vacuum cleaner is far dirtier
and more troublesome.

What am I missing?

 

[Allen Drake]

I've often seen ads for vacuum cleaners in which the seller proudly
states that they are bagless. I've never understood that pride. To me,
it seems that not having a bag that you can throw away with the
collected dirt means that emptying the vacuum cleaner is far dirtier
and more troublesome.

What am I missing?

I have an old "Green Machine" that is also a rug cleaner. It has been
working fine for what seems to be over 10 years. It has no bag and has
a large container that looks like it would hold more then any bag.
From what I remember the bag cleaners don't suck as much as the bag
gets full. It is a bit of a pain to empty but I do it out on my back
deck every few months or so. I've been waiting for it to die so I can
look into a newer model that might work better. You might be right
about the old style being more convenient.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

I've often seen ads for vacuum cleaners in which the seller proudly
states that they are bagless. I've never understood that pride. To me,
it seems that not having a bag that you can throw away with the
collected dirt means that emptying the vacuum cleaner is far dirtier
and more troublesome.

What am I missing?

When it fills up, you are supposed to throw away the old vacuum
cleaner and get a new one.

It's similar to cars in the old days when they had ashtrays.

 

[Ken Blake]

When it fills up, you are supposed to throw away the old vacuum
cleaner and get a new one.

It's similar to cars in the old days when they had ashtrays.

LOL!

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

I've often seen ads for vacuum cleaners in which the seller proudly
states that they are bagless. I've never understood that pride. To me,
it seems that not having a bag that you can throw away with the
collected dirt means that emptying the vacuum cleaner is far dirtier
and more troublesome.

What am I missing?

On mine, unlock the dirt holder, pull it out, empty it, maybe
wash it, put it back, lock it. This is less trouble than opening up a
vacuum cleaner to get at the bag. And you are never short a bag!

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Ken Blake]

[snip]

I've often seen ads for vacuum cleaners in which the seller proudly
states that they are bagless. I've never understood that pride. To me,
it seems that not having a bag that you can throw away with the
collected dirt means that emptying the vacuum cleaner is far dirtier
and more troublesome.

What am I missing?

On mine, unlock the dirt holder, pull it out, empty it, maybe
wash it, put it back, lock it. This is less trouble than opening up a
vacuum cleaner to get at the bag. And you are never short a bag!

I remember the old pre-bag bagless machines, which were very messy and
troublesome to empty, but I've never seen one of the newer ones being
emptied. It's hard for me to imagine its being less trouble than
opening the vacuum cleaner to get at the bag, but if you say so, you
must be right. I guess I need to see one in action.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

[snip]

I remember the old pre-bag bagless machines, which were very messy and
troublesome to empty, but I've never seen one of the newer ones being
emptied. It's hard for me to imagine its being less trouble than
opening the vacuum cleaner to get at the bag, but if you say so, you
must be right. I guess I need to see one in action.

Both bag and bagless types can result in some dust getting into
the air when getting rid of the dirt, but it is not much, especially
if you move slowly.

I like not having to hassle about bags.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[BillW50]

[snip]

I remember the old pre-bag bagless machines, which were very messy and
troublesome to empty, but I've never seen one of the newer ones being
emptied. It's hard for me to imagine its being less trouble than
opening the vacuum cleaner to get at the bag, but if you say so, you
must be right. I guess I need to see one in action.

Both bag and bagless types can result in some dust getting into
the air when getting rid of the dirt, but it is not much, especially
if you move slowly.

I like not having to hassle about bags.

My house has a central vac and it uses bags (they are huge bags). I also
have a bagless vac. And I have some shop vacs while I never heard of a
shop vac that uses bags. Although most shop vacs can suck up water too.
I used one once to drain a 500 gallon outdoor pond once. That probably
wasn't a good idea, but it worked. I probably should have used a sump
pump. ;-)

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

[snip]

I've often seen ads for vacuum cleaners in which the seller proudly
states that they are bagless. I've never understood that pride. To me,
it seems that not having a bag that you can throw away with the
collected dirt means that emptying the vacuum cleaner is far dirtier
and more troublesome.

What am I missing?

On mine, unlock the dirt holder, pull it out, empty it, maybe
wash it, put it back, lock it. This is less trouble than opening up a
vacuum cleaner to get at the bag. And you are never short a bag!

I remember the old pre-bag bagless machines, which were very messy and
troublesome to empty, but I've never seen one of the newer ones being
emptied. It's hard for me to imagine its being less trouble than
opening the vacuum cleaner to get at the bag, but if you say so, you
must be right. I guess I need to see one in action.

I wonder if searching in Google or YouTube would turn up a video of
that. Sillier things have been posted

 

[Ken Blake]

[snip]

I've often seen ads for vacuum cleaners in which the seller proudly
states that they are bagless. I've never understood that pride. To me,
it seems that not having a bag that you can throw away with the
collected dirt means that emptying the vacuum cleaner is far dirtier
and more troublesome.

What am I missing?

On mine, unlock the dirt holder, pull it out, empty it, maybe
wash it, put it back, lock it. This is less trouble than opening up a
vacuum cleaner to get at the bag. And you are never short a bag!

I remember the old pre-bag bagless machines, which were very messy and
troublesome to empty, but I've never seen one of the newer ones being
emptied. It's hard for me to imagine its being less trouble than
opening the vacuum cleaner to get at the bag, but if you say so, you
must be right. I guess I need to see one in action.

I wonder if searching in Google or YouTube would turn up a video of
that. Sillier things have been posted

I just did a quick search. All I found was ads.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

On Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:31:37 -0700, Gene E. Bloch

[snip]

I've often seen ads for vacuum cleaners in which the seller proudly
states that they are bagless. I've never understood that pride. To me,
it seems that not having a bag that you can throw away with the
collected dirt means that emptying the vacuum cleaner is far dirtier
and more troublesome.

What am I missing?

On mine, unlock the dirt holder, pull it out, empty it, maybe
wash it, put it back, lock it. This is less trouble than opening up a
vacuum cleaner to get at the bag. And you are never short a bag!


I remember the old pre-bag bagless machines, which were very messy and
troublesome to empty, but I've never seen one of the newer ones being
emptied. It's hard for me to imagine its being less trouble than
opening the vacuum cleaner to get at the bag, but if you say so, you
must be right. I guess I need to see one in action.

I wonder if searching in Google or YouTube would turn up a video of
that. Sillier things have been posted

I just did a quick search. All I found was ads.

OK, maybe we can get one of the posters in this subthread to volunteer
to record the operation and post it on YouTube

Now I'm wondering if one of the manufacturers has a video. E.g., I have
seen a video of how to clean a stove-top vent fan assembly. Which, BTW,
helped convince us not to upgrade our stove-top vent

 

[Andy]

It's a black and Decker home air compressor i don't know the model off hand
but it plugs in to 120VAC house current.
it works well i just use the air adaptor for beach balls ect. works well.

 

[Allen Drake]

It's a black and Decker home air compressor i don't know the model off hand
but it plugs in to 120VAC house current.
it works well i just use the air adaptor for beach balls ect. works well.

Ok, now I know what you mean. Thanks.

 

[Andy]

You can also use a vacuum with the hose in the exhaust port i know the older
units can do this but alot of the new ones cant.
just peaceful how close you put the air stream to delicate parts.
and don't let the vacuum run to long so the air does not get to hot.