2048 GB Hard Disk

[Char Jackson]

And I would say, "show me the advert where you saw this".
And then I'd explain how the advert was wrong.

I'd have no problem with that, but only if the person asked for an
explanation. Given only the initial question, I'd answer yes and be
done with it.

 

[Char Jackson]

Trouble is, the apparent simplicity of the question (-:!

The OP used "GB" and "TB" without explaining whether he meant the binary
version most of us in computing do (as I've already said, does anyone
actually ever use "GiB", "TiB" and the rest except when this discussion
comes up), or the decimal one that disc drive manufacturers do.

A _fairly_ simple answer to the question might be something like:

If you're a disc drive manufacturer, then no - 2TB is 2000 GB. For
almost everyone else, then yes, more or less.

I take some comfort and pleasure in seeing that you got to the right
answer in the end, despite a small bit of initial mental anguish
regarding the apparent ambiguity of the question.

Fortunately, most of us aren't disk drive manufacturers, so for us
it's pretty easy.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

I take some comfort and pleasure in seeing that you got to the right
answer in the end, despite a small bit of initial mental anguish
regarding the apparent ambiguity of the question.

Fortunately, most of us aren't disk drive manufacturers, so for us
it's pretty easy.

Yes, but unfortunately, we have to buy from drive manufacturers (and
most resellers maintain the decimal descriptions).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

(If you are unlucky you may choose one of the old-fashioned ones [language
schools] and be taught English as it should be, and not as it is, spoken.)
George Mikes, "How to be Decadent" (1977).

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

As an aside, I just canceled the sending of this message to point out
that my spell checker (in Forte Agent) flagged KiB as a spelling
error, but accepts KB.

My spell checker keeps me alert...

But I'm too lazy to find out whether I can fix it (or its dictionary) or
to find out whether I can find and connect another checker

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Yes, but unfortunately, we have to buy from drive manufacturers (and
most resellers maintain the decimal descriptions).

I hope I don't respond again in this thread, but in *this* response I
say:

I have known for years that to disk manufacturers, 1K is 1000, not 1024,
and the same for powers of that value. So I expect to get only
2000000000000 bytes when I buy a 2TB drive. (If I got the number of
zeros wrong, please be so kind as to think of it as though I got it
right.)

Beyond that: I have enjoyed this thread, mostly because I have a sense
of whimsy

 

[Ken Blake]

I have known for years that to disk manufacturers, 1K is 1000, not 1024,
and the same for powers of that value. So I expect to get only
2000000000000 bytes when I buy a 2TB drive. (If I got the number of
zeros wrong, please be so kind as to think of it as though I got it
right.)

You got the number of zeroes right, but if you wanted me to check <g>
you should have put commas in.

 

[VanguardLH]

Understand that the OP asked a simple question. Why read more into it
than what was given? What was in that question that prompted a few of
you to launch into a scientific and technical discussion of capacity
measurements? Does "2048GB" refer to a 1TB drive? No. Does it refer to
a 3TB drive? No. Does it refer to a 2TB drive. Obviously, yes, so why
not just say yes, which in fact is what some of us did.

Which some of you were wrong and you, as one of them, are now trying to
cover your butt with rationalization.

 

[Char Jackson]

Which some of you were wrong and you, as one of them, are now trying to
cover your butt with rationalization.

I guess I was hoping that being obviously right would mean that I
wouldn't have to cover anything. You apparently see it differently.

 

[Char Jackson]

Yes, but unfortunately, we have to buy from drive manufacturers (and
most resellers maintain the decimal descriptions).

I'll take your word for the situation being unfortunate. That's not a
conclusion I would have arrived at by myself.

 

[Stan Brown]

I'm probably in the minority, but I'm embarrassed for you guys. A
"royal family" may have been unavoidable a thousand years ago, but I
don't know why you put up with it now. Willingly, even.

Because it works, that's why. The Queen carries out the ceremonial
role and provides a national symbol that is above politics. We don't
have anything like that in the US, except maybe the Constitution, but
it can't go and open hospitals. The US could really use a figure
that is above politics, but it's impossible in our system.

And as for the Queen saying no to legislation, that hasn't happened
for three hundred and five years now, and every royal knows it's
constitutionally impossible. If Parliament passes a bill for her own
deposition, she has no choice but to sign it.

I'm tempted to crosspost this to alt.talk.royalty, because it's been
so quiet there. But this kind of stuff would be the Nth repetition
there, so I won't.

 

[John Williamson]

And as for the Queen saying no to legislation, that hasn't happened
for three hundred and five years now, and every royal knows it's
constitutionally impossible. If Parliament passes a bill for her own
deposition, she has no choice but to sign it.

It was rumoured that one particularly unpopular and unworkable bill did
not meet with the Queen's approval, a quiet word was said to Mrs.
Thatcher (Something along the lines of "Do you think that's agood
idea?", and the bill was quietly and unobtrusively dropped.

 

[G. Morgan]

I'm probably in the minority, but I'm embarrassed for you guys. A
"royal family" may have been unavoidable a thousand years ago, but I
don't know why you put up with it now. Willingly, even.

I don't think you're in a minority at all. This US citizen finds
the notion of 'royalty' repugnant, just like the founders of this
great nation.

We have a bunch of teen girls (and even mature women) in the US
that thinks it's cool from the pageantry aspect. They apparently
don't understand the 'Royal Monarchies' history as I know it, a
brutal dictatorship with heavy Catholic church influence.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

I don't think you're in a minority at all. This US citizen finds
the notion of 'royalty' repugnant, just like the founders of this
great nation.

I think the royalty you imagine isn't the sort we have (which is mostly
ceremonial, though I think the advisory aspect is important too). And I
think your founders were more concerned about religious persecution (and
unrepresentative taxation).

We have a bunch of teen girls (and even mature women) in the US
that thinks it's cool from the pageantry aspect. They apparently
don't understand the 'Royal Monarchies' history as I know it, a
brutal dictatorship with heavy Catholic church influence.

If you think it's Catholic influenced, you don't know it very well (-:!
[Henry VIII split from them.]--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

My spell checker keeps me alert...

But I'm too lazy to find out whether I can fix it (or its dictionary) or
to find out whether I can find and connect another checker

When it pops up to tell it thinks something's wrong, there should be an
"add to dictionary" button. Or, if you're just using it in
red-wavy-underline mode, right-clicking on such a word should give you
such an option.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

I'll take your word for the situation being unfortunate. That's not a
conclusion I would have arrived at by myself.

I meant, unfortunate that we have to deal with the only branch of the
industry who do not use binary powers (and do not, in a misleading
manner). Obviously, not that we have do buy from them at all.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"I hate the guys that criticize the enterprise of other guys whose enterprise
has made them rise above the guys who criticize!" (W9BRD, former editor of
"How's DX?" column in "QST")

 

[G. Morgan]

If you think it's Catholic influenced, you don't know it very well (-:!
[Henry VIII split from them.]

Church of England = Catholics !

http://www.churchofengland.org/about-us/history.aspx

 

[Andy Burns]

Church of England = Catholics !
HUH!?

http://www.churchofengland.org/about-us/history.aspx

If the CofE are catholic, why would they list catholics as one of the
other churches they work with?

http://www.churchofengland.org/about-us/work-other-churches/england.aspx

 

[Stan Brown]

It was rumoured that one particularly unpopular and unworkable bill did
not meet with the Queen's approval, a quiet word was said to Mrs.
Thatcher (Something along the lines of "Do you think that's agood
idea?", and the bill was quietly and unobtrusively dropped.

Given the well documented antagonism between the Queen and Mrs.
Thatcher, I find that hard to believe.

But it's one thing for the Queen to express doubts in private. If
such a conversation had indeed taken place, and Mrs. Thatcher had
decided to press on, the Queen would have had to acqiesce, without
even the right to say anything publicly about disapproving of the
legislation.

 

[Tim Slattery]

I have a 2TB internal drive, partitioned thus;
17GB
100GB
922.95GB
922.97GB
=
1962.92GB in all.

Don't forget that manufacturers give disk size in decimal units, but
when you look at it in the computer you'll see binary units.

If the manufacturer says the disk in 2TB, that's 2 times 10**12 =
2,000,000,000,000 bytes. But a binary terabyte is 2**30 =
1,099,511,627,776 bytes. Divide that into the decimal measure and
you've got something like 1.8 (binary) terabytes.

And 2**30 == 1,073,741,824 bytes in a binary Gigabyte. That two
terabyte disk has 1,862.6 binary gigabytes.

 

[Irwell]

Given the well documented antagonism between the Queen and Mrs.
Thatcher, I find that hard to believe.

But it's one thing for the Queen to express doubts in private. If
such a conversation had indeed taken place, and Mrs. Thatcher had
decided to press on, the Queen would have had to acqiesce, without
even the right to say anything publicly about disapproving of the
legislation.

When the new One Pound coin was introduced
a movement was started to call it "The Maggie",
the reasoning "she was bold, brassy and wanted to be Queen".