Search Hidden/System Files?

G

Grumpy

In XP I used to search for folders or files in Explorer, and
frequently used the option to include system and hidden files in the
search. I don't see that option in W7. Where is it, if it is there
please?

Thanks

Grumpy
 
E

Ed Cryer

In XP I used to search for folders or files in Explorer, and
frequently used the option to include system and hidden files in the
search. I don't see that option in W7. Where is it, if it is there
please?

Thanks

Grumpy
Try Tools/ Folder Options/ View.

Ed
 
C

Char Jackson

Try Tools/ Folder Options/ View.
That didn't seem to work for me. From what I can tell, that only
allowed me to view those files, not include them in a search. What did
I miss?
 
J

Jaypie

"Andy Burns" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
(e-mail address removed)...

Char said:
that only allowed me to view those files, not include them in a
search. What did I miss?
You can use the AQS format "attributes:number"

where the number is a logical-or of the relevant attribute bits from

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg258117(v=vs.85).aspx

e.g. attribute:1 for readonly or attribute:5 for readonly+system

Or you can keep your sanity by installing FileLocator Lite/Pro
- - - - - - - - - - -

Very easy way :

In Windows 7, open Windows Explorer, click on the drop down arrow of
Organize
and choose Folders & search options and then, select View...
 
C

Char Jackson

"Andy Burns" a écrit dans le message de groupe de discussion :
(e-mail address removed)...



You can use the AQS format "attributes:number"

where the number is a logical-or of the relevant attribute bits from

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/gg258117(v=vs.85).aspx

e.g. attribute:1 for readonly or attribute:5 for readonly+system

Or you can keep your sanity by installing FileLocator Lite/Pro
- - - - - - - - - - -

Very easy way :

In Windows 7, open Windows Explorer, click on the drop down arrow of
Organize
and choose Folders & search options and then, select View...
And how is that going to help?
 
E

Ed Cryer

Char said:
And how is that going to help?
It's another path to the option that I mentioned above.
You then turn on the button for "Show hidden files ....".
I just tried it here, first on then off. And I used "AlbumArt" in the
Search box. Hundreds with it on; seven with it off.

Ed
 
C

Char Jackson

It's another path to the option that I mentioned above.
You then turn on the button for "Show hidden files ....".
I just tried it here, first on then off. And I used "AlbumArt" in the
Search box. Hundreds with it on; seven with it off.
It doesn't seem to work here. Being able to view system and hidden
files doesn't seem to make them show up in search results. I used
pagefile.sys as my target file.
 
Z

Zaidy036

In XP I used to search for folders or files in Explorer, and
frequently used the option to include system and hidden files in the
search. I don't see that option in W7. Where is it, if it is there
please?

Thanks

Grumpy
Try Everything from http://www.voidtools.com/
 
W

...winston

"Char Jackson" wrote in message

It's another path to the option that I mentioned above.
You then turn on the button for "Show hidden files ....".
I just tried it here, first on then off. And I used "AlbumArt" in the
Search box. Hundreds with it on; seven with it off.
It doesn't seem to work here. Being able to view system and hidden
files doesn't seem to make them show up in search results. I used
pagefile.sys as my target file.

--

Char Jackson

=======
Fyi.
Hidden files are not necessarily the same as 'Protected Operating System'
files. Pagefile.sys is the latter.

Tools/Folder Options/View
- uncheck 'Hide protected operating system files'

Then perform the search (for pagefile.sys)

Once you're done searching ensure you recheck 'Hide Protected operating
system files' unless you have a desire to see desktop.ini files displayed on
the Desktop or any other folder in which they may be present.
 
S

Stephen Wolstenholme

It doesn't seem to work here. Being able to view system and hidden
files doesn't seem to make them show up in search results. I used
pagefile.sys as my target file.
Hidden files don't show in a search on my system either. There must be
something else needed as well as just setting "Show hidden files...."
as I have that set already. If I just show folders on my C: drive all
the hidden files and folders are shown but not if I search for any of
them.

Steve
 
E

Ed Cryer

....winston said:
=======
Fyi.
Hidden files are not necessarily the same as 'Protected Operating System'
files. Pagefile.sys is the latter.

Tools/Folder Options/View
- uncheck 'Hide protected operating system files'

Then perform the search (for pagefile.sys)

Once you're done searching ensure you recheck 'Hide Protected operating
system files' unless you have a desire to see desktop.ini files
displayed on the Desktop or any other folder in which they may be present.
Ditto here too.
But not ditto to using WLM and having to fumble in the semi-darkness to
read what has been mistakenly taken as a sig.

Ed
 
V

VanguardLH

Zaidy036 said:
Not exactly a small program. It remains resident. Its FAQ says:

1.4 Does "Everything" hog my system resources?
No, "Everything" uses very little system resources.
A fresh install of Windows XP SP2 (about 20,000 files) will use about
3-5mb of ram and less than 1mb of disk space.
1,000,000 files will use about 45mb of ram and 5mb of disk space.

That seems quite a bit of memory for just an filename indexing utility.
I suspect they keep their table (of files and paths) in memory so use is
instantaneous; i.e., rather than scanning for the file(s), it indexes
them in the background and keeps its table in memory so on the few
occasions when you use it then its operation is immediate - as soon as
you type in filtering criteria, it already has the file list in memory.

So that it doesn't have to re-index (scan) your files at periodic
intervals, it remains resident to monitor file I/O. That way, when you
create, delete, or rename a file, it knows immediately to update its
table in memory. It's because it remains resident (always running) that
it doesn't have to scan like other file search tools.

Still 45MB is a big chunk of memory when you compare it to your other
memory-resident (background) processes currently running. The 45MB
value is for 1 million files (but they don't mention at what average
length for the filename). After many years of use of Windows XP, I have
around 60K files so I'm nowhere near the 1 million mark. I'd probably
be around 10MB for memory consumption with this program but that is
still a big footprint for a memory resident program.

Whether this product appeals to you really depends on how often you have
to go searching for files. If you use a hierarchical structure to where
you store files, you probably already have a good idea of where to look.
Otherwise, a file search tool comes in handy when you have no clue of
where to begin searching. Since I only occasionally have to search for
a file, like once a month, then wasting the memory for an always-running
on-the-fly file indexer is not of value to me. Agent Ransack (renamed
to FileLocator Lite), a non-resident file scanning tool, works for me
the few times that I have to search for a file. For someone that does
lots of file searching then it makes sense.

If I were to map to or connect to file servers over the network then
something that went out there to index those files would be handy. The
organization of files out there isn't under my control or I only get to
manage a portion of it. Something that lets me search all those
networked files would be handy. Alas, Everything won't index anything
other than local drives so something else would be needed to find files
in an environ not under your control and where lots of users are
contributing to the population of files.

Also, their FAQ says they only index files under NTFS. So if you're
still using FAT16/32 then Everything won't work for you. That also
means that local drives that are removable (e.g., USB flash drives)
cannot be indexed unless you convert from the default FAT32 to NTFS.
"Everything only indexes local or removable NTFS volumes."

It does support regex (regular expressions) which can make it far easier
(once you learn regex) to specify just the files you are looking for.
Wildcarding usually returns a lot of irrelevant files.
 
Z

Zaidy036

<snip>

It only needs to run when you want to search but then it takes a little
time to check its index. It responds very fast because it is only
looking at file names.
 
C

Char Jackson

"Char Jackson" wrote in message



It doesn't seem to work here. Being able to view system and hidden
files doesn't seem to make them show up in search results. I used
pagefile.sys as my target file.


=======
Fyi.
Hidden files are not necessarily the same as 'Protected Operating System'
files. Pagefile.sys is the latter.

Tools/Folder Options/View
- uncheck 'Hide protected operating system files'

Then perform the search (for pagefile.sys)

Once you're done searching ensure you recheck 'Hide Protected operating
system files' unless you have a desire to see desktop.ini files displayed on
the Desktop or any other folder in which they may be present.
Thanks. That's what I did prior to making the post above. Didn't work.
 
C

Char Jackson

Not exactly a small program. It remains resident. Its FAQ says:

1.4 Does "Everything" hog my system resources?
No, "Everything" uses very little system resources.
A fresh install of Windows XP SP2 (about 20,000 files) will use about
3-5mb of ram and less than 1mb of disk space.
1,000,000 files will use about 45mb of ram and 5mb of disk space.

That seems quite a bit of memory... ....
Still 45MB is a big chunk of memory... ....
I'd probably be around 10MB for memory consumption with this program
but that is still a big footprint for a memory resident program.
I don't know how much RAM the typical Windows 7 system has these days,
but I suspect it's at least 4GB, in which case 3-5MB on the low end or
45MB on the high end are a tiny speck. Nothing to be concerned about
there. Besides, memory is there to be used. If you can't spare 10MB,
then your system is already running on the ragged edge and needs help.
Whether this product appeals to you really depends on how often you have
to go searching for files. If you use a hierarchical structure to where
you store files, you probably already have a good idea of where to look.
Otherwise, a file search tool comes in handy when you have no clue of
where to begin searching.
That's one scenario, but it's not how I use Everything. In my case I
know exactly where to look but it's much faster to use Everything than
to click down through multiple levels of folder hierarchy.
If I were to map to or connect to file servers over the network then
something that went out there to index those files would be handy. The
organization of files out there isn't under my control or I only get to
manage a portion of it. Something that lets me search all those
networked files would be handy. Alas, Everything won't index anything
other than local drives so something else would be needed to find files
in an environ not under your control and where lots of users are
contributing to the population of files.
I use Everything for networked drives and other LAN-connected hosts,
as well.
 
K

Ken Blake

I don't know how much RAM the typical Windows 7 system has these days,
but I suspect it's at least 4GB,

I don't know either, but my guess is that it's closer to 2GB than to
4GB.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

Ditto here too.
But not ditto to using WLM and having to fumble in the semi-darkness to
read what has been mistakenly taken as a sig.

Ed
Mr 3dot has been informed of this problem a number of times.

The post you replied to provides evidence of his reaction to the advice.
 

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