Windows Update install updates every time I shit down

[Dave Rado]

Hi

I've just acquired a Windows 7 laptop, and every single time I boot up and
connect to the internet, a notification appears in the systray saying that
there are new updates to be installed. After a while message boxes start
appearing asking if I want to restart my computer in order to install the
updates, and when I finally do restart it claims to be installing the
updates, only to notify me a minute or so later that new updates need to be
installed.

I used to have a similar problem on my old XP laptop and eventually got so
fed up with it I turned Windows Updates off completely, so couldn't believe
it when this started to happen again on a completely new machine!

Any idea what could be causing this to happen and how to fix it (short of
turning Windows Updates off completely again)?

Dave

 

[Paul]

Hi

I've just acquired a Windows 7 laptop, and every single time I boot up and
connect to the internet, a notification appears in the systray saying that
there are new updates to be installed. After a while message boxes start
appearing asking if I want to restart my computer in order to install the
updates, and when I finally do restart it claims to be installing the
updates, only to notify me a minute or so later that new updates need to be
installed.

I used to have a similar problem on my old XP laptop and eventually got so
fed up with it I turned Windows Updates off completely, so couldn't believe
it when this started to happen again on a completely new machine!

Any idea what could be causing this to happen and how to fix it (short of
turning Windows Updates off completely again)?

Dave

"Windows Update or Microsoft Update repeatedly offers the same update"

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910339

That includes some Fixit tool as well.

Note that, for a recent set of patches for Windows 7, there was one
that did that sort of thing. And Microsoft fixed the item that
gets downloaded, so it doesn't happen again. So they can be
fixed from the Microsoft end. In that case, there were
still people who "seemed to be in a loop". As if their Windows Update
didn't notice a new version of the file to download, with the
looping behavior fixed.

Paul

 

[BobbyM]

Hi

I've just acquired a Windows 7 laptop, and every single time I boot up and
connect to the internet, a notification appears in the systray saying that
there are new updates to be installed. After a while message boxes start
appearing asking if I want to restart my computer in order to install the
updates, and when I finally do restart it claims to be installing the
updates, only to notify me a minute or so later that new updates need to be
installed.

I used to have a similar problem on my old XP laptop and eventually got so
fed up with it I turned Windows Updates off completely, so couldn't believe
it when this started to happen again on a completely new machine!

Any idea what could be causing this to happen and how to fix it (short of
turning Windows Updates off completely again)?

I had a similar problem on my wife's Win7 64bit desktop this weekend &
fixed it by installing the updates one by one (there were 4 updates in
total I believe). Apparently one of those updates was preventing all of
them from being installed properly.

From control panel (or however you normally do it), go to Windows
Update & in the left menu, click on "view update history". More than
likely you're going to see several updates that were "unsuccessful". If
so, go back to the main update page. If it shows "no updates are
available, run "check for updates". If it shows updates are available,
deselect all but the first one & install that one only. Assuming that
one was successful, you can now try to install all of the others or
continue doing them one by one. (I installed the first 2 manually &
then installed the last 2 as a group.)

 

[Char Jackson]

Regarding the subject of your post, every time you WHAT?

I've just acquired a Windows 7 laptop, and every single time I boot up and
connect to the internet, a notification appears in the systray saying that
there are new updates to be installed. After a while message boxes start
appearing asking if I want to restart my computer in order to install the
updates, and when I finally do restart it claims to be installing the
updates, only to notify me a minute or so later that new updates need to be
installed.

The right answer depends on the details of those notifications. Is it
the same stuff being installed over and over, or are you just going
through the somewhat normal cycle of catching up on updates that
happens with every new system? Remember, while your new laptop was
spending time on a store shelf, no one was keeping it updated.

I used to have a similar problem on my old XP laptop and eventually got so
fed up with it I turned Windows Updates off completely, so couldn't believe
it when this started to happen again on a completely new machine!

Turning Windows Update off is usually a bad idea.

 

[...winston]

Reset Windows to 'Check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them'
Run Windows Update manually (Control Panel\Windows Update\Check for updates
Deselect all updates
Install all Windows Updates manually except the two noted below(for the time being ignore any Office and optional updates)
- -> KB2732487 and KB2647753.
- restart if prompted
- install KB2732487, restart then install KB2647753, restart if prompted
If Office is installed - Install all Office Updates (check them all)
- if prompted restart
- Run Windows update manually then install any 'necessary' Optional updates
- Reset Windows to your prior configuration (Automatically or Download but let me choose when to install them)

Note: The above applies to the August 2012 updates...if your new machine was built with a much older image (common on new
machines), what you are seeing may be months worth of updates....if that is the case...install the updates in by month in
chronological order. Additionally, installing a .NET update may precipitate the need for other updates.

In the future, a link to a screen shot (hosted on a third party site) showing the updates might be helpful for folks to better aid
you (i.e. you've not provided any info so far on what updates are being installed/reinstalled etc).




--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"Dave Rado" wrote in message
Hi

I've just acquired a Windows 7 laptop, and every single time I boot up and
connect to the internet, a notification appears in the systray saying that
there are new updates to be installed. After a while message boxes start
appearing asking if I want to restart my computer in order to install the
updates, and when I finally do restart it claims to be installing the
updates, only to notify me a minute or so later that new updates need to be
installed.

I used to have a similar problem on my old XP laptop and eventually got so
fed up with it I turned Windows Updates off completely, so couldn't believe
it when this started to happen again on a completely new machine!

Any idea what could be causing this to happen and how to fix it (short of
turning Windows Updates off completely again)?

Dave

 

[Good Guy]

Regarding the subject of your post, every time you WHAT?

Every time he "shits" down (sic).

I resisted up to now until you mentioned it!!

 

[Wolf K]

Every time he "shits" down (sic).

I resisted up to now until you mentioned it!!

It would be notable if he could do it in the other direction.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)

 

[Wolf K]

It would be notable if he could do it in the other direction.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. ;-)

That is NOT what I wrote. Someone is impoersonating me.

Wolf

 

[Dave Rado]

Hi Paul


| "Windows Update or Microsoft Update repeatedly offers the same update"
|
| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/910339
|
| That includes some Fixit tool as well.
|
| Note that, for a recent set of patches for Windows 7, there was one
| that did that sort of thing. And Microsoft fixed the item that
| gets downloaded, so it doesn't happen again. So they can be
| fixed from the Microsoft end. In that case, there were
| still people who "seemed to be in a loop". As if their Windows Update
| didn't notice a new version of the file to download, with the
| looping behavior fixed.
|
| Paul

I ran the Fixit programme and it said was fixing something but when I next
restarted, it spent several minutes installing Service Pack 1 before
shutting down (why on earth hadn't installed that already, among the
hundreds of updates it had previously installed?) - and then when Windows
came back up, it said I now have another 4 important updates to install.

 

[Char Jackson]

I ran the Fixit programme and it said was fixing something but when I next
restarted, it spent several minutes installing Service Pack 1 before
shutting down (why on earth hadn't installed that already, among the
hundreds of updates it had previously installed?) - and then when Windows
came back up, it said I now have another 4 important updates to install.

Sounds perfectly normal to me. Are you having any problems?

 

[Dave Rado]

Hi Bobby


| I had a similar problem on my wife's Win7 64bit desktop this weekend &
| fixed it by installing the updates one by one (there were 4 updates in
| total I believe). Apparently one of those updates was preventing all of
| them from being installed properly.

Under "View Update History" in Control Panel > Windows Update, out of around
300 updates it says it's installed, only two are marked as having Failed,
and both were installed long before I got the laptop.

In total, it says that 23 updates have been installed since I got the
laptop, all successfully - which on the face of it isn't that many, given
that I only bought it recently and there could have been a backlog - but the
point is, it didn't install 23 updates in one go - literally every time I
restart Windows, it claims that I have new updates that I need to install.
If there's a backlog, why can't it just get on and install all of them
instead of doing a few here and a few there, and doing some every time I
restart? Even more intrusively, it periodically insists on "reminding" me
that I have updates needing to be installed, and asking me to restart, which
is absolutely maddening when it had installed several updates earlier the
same day. What could be going on? I certainly couldn't live with this long
term, and if there's no way to get it to install all necessary updates and
then leave me alone for a while, I will be faced with the straight choice
between disabling Windows Update or being committed to a psychiatric
hospital.

| From control panel (or however you normally do it), go to Windows
| Update & in the left menu, click on "view update history". More than
| likely you're going to see several updates that were "unsuccessful". If
| so, go back to the main update page. If it shows "no updates are
| available, run "check for updates". If it shows updates are available,
| deselect all but the first one & install that one only. Assuming that
| one was successful, you can now try to install all of the others or
| continue doing them one by one. (I installed the first 2 manually &
| then installed the last 2 as a group.)

See above the main update page always say there are updates to install, and
when I restart it installs them, says they were installed successfully, but
then immediately says I have more updates to install, which are different
from the last lot. So why didn't it install the current lot last time? If
it's down to a backlog, that makes no sense. If it's not down to a backlog,
that implies that Microsoft are distributing updates several times a day
every day and if so, that's just ridiculous.

 

[Dave Rado]

Hi Char

| Sounds perfectly normal to me. Are you having any problems?

If it's normal to have to install updates three or four times a day every
day then I'll have to turn Windows Update off.

 

[Dave Rado]

Hi Char

| On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:06:59 +0100, "Dave Rado" <[email protected]>
| wrote:
|
| Regarding the subject of your post, every time you WHAT?

The "u" and "i" on the keyboard are, unfortunately, very close together, and
maddeningly, OE doesn't spellcheck the subject. Could happen to anyone.


| The right answer depends on the details of those notifications. Is it
| the same stuff being installed over and over

No - see my reply to BobbyM

| or are you just going
| through the somewhat normal cycle of catching up on updates that
| happens with every new system?

If it's just down to a backlog why can't it just install them all instead of
doing 4-5 every time I restart the machine and what's worse, periodically
asking me to restart the machine in order to install yet more.


| Turning Windows Update off is usually a bad idea.

I know but if I'm going to have to install several sets of updates per day
every day for the rest of my life unless I disable it, then I'll have to
disable it.

 

[Chris S.]

Hi Char

| On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 23:06:59 +0100, "Dave Rado" <[email protected]>
| wrote:
|
| Regarding the subject of your post, every time you WHAT?

The "u" and "i" on the keyboard are, unfortunately, very close together,
and
maddeningly, OE doesn't spellcheck the subject. Could happen to anyone.


| The right answer depends on the details of those notifications. Is it
| the same stuff being installed over and over

No - see my reply to BobbyM

| or are you just going
| through the somewhat normal cycle of catching up on updates that
| happens with every new system?

If it's just down to a backlog why can't it just install them all instead
of
doing 4-5 every time I restart the machine and what's worse, periodically
asking me to restart the machine in order to install yet more.


| Turning Windows Update off is usually a bad idea.

I know but if I'm going to have to install several sets of updates per day
every day for the rest of my life unless I disable it, then I'll have to
disable it.

Some updates are predicated on previous updates. You'll get them all
eventually,
with a few reboots, then you'll rarely see an update except the second
Tuesday
of the month. Trust me.

Chris

 

[Dave Rado]

Hi Chris

| Some updates are predicated on previous updates. You'll get them all
| eventually,
| with a few reboots, then you'll rarely see an update except the second
| Tuesday
| of the month. Trust me.

I hope you're right, but it still seems odd to me that literally every time
it restarts, meaning several times per day, it insists there are yet more
updates needing to be installed. But I've changed the setting to "check but
let me choose" as suggested by Winston, and if it sorts itself out as you
suggest it will within the next week or so, then I won't disable it.

Thanks

Dave

 

[Dave Rado]

Hi Winston


_____________
Reset Windows to 'Check for updates but let me choose whether to download
and install them'

_____________

Good idea, thanks.

_____________
Run Windows Update manually (Control Panel\Windows Update\Check for updates
Deselect all updates
Install all Windows Updates manually except the two noted below(for the time
being ignore any Office and optional updates)
- -> KB2732487 and KB2647753.
- restart if prompted
- install KB2732487, restart then install KB2647753, restart if prompted

_____________

I can't see those KB numbers either in the list needing to be installed or
in the list of updates already installed. It's maddening that you can't
export the list of updates to a text file or copy and paste it, so you have
to rely on eyesight alone - it's possible they're installed but I just can't
see them.


_____________
Note: The above applies to the August 2012 updates...if your new machine was
built with a much older image (common on new
machines), what you are seeing may be months worth of updates....if that is
the case...install the updates in by month in
chronological order. Additionally, installing a .NET update may precipitate
the need for other updates.

_____________

I can't see any way to see updates needing to be installed by month - I just
have five updates which it says I need to install, having previously
installed several other sets of updates earlier today. Also, I can't see
any .NET updates in either list except for some that were installed several
months before I bought the laptop.


_____________
In the future, a link to a screen shot (hosted on a third party site)
showing the updates might be helpful for folks to better aid
you (i.e. you've not provided any info so far on what updates are being
installed/reinstalled etc).

_____________

I haven't yet had time to install any graphics software on the new machine
so can't do that yet. (Nor have I had time to get any NNTP software working
on the new machine yet, which is why I'm still using OE on my old laptop to
post this.)

Dave

 

[Chris S.]

Hi Winston


_____________
Reset Windows to 'Check for updates but let me choose whether to download
and install them'

_____________

Good idea, thanks.

_____________
Run Windows Update manually (Control Panel\Windows Update\Check for
updates
Deselect all updates
Install all Windows Updates manually except the two noted below(for the
time
being ignore any Office and optional updates)
- -> KB2732487 and KB2647753.
- restart if prompted
- install KB2732487, restart then install KB2647753, restart if prompted

_____________

I can't see those KB numbers either in the list needing to be installed or
in the list of updates already installed. It's maddening that you can't
export the list of updates to a text file or copy and paste it, so you
have
to rely on eyesight alone - it's possible they're installed but I just
can't
see them.


_____________
Note: The above applies to the August 2012 updates...if your new machine
was
built with a much older image (common on new
machines), what you are seeing may be months worth of updates....if that
is
the case...install the updates in by month in
chronological order. Additionally, installing a .NET update may
precipitate
the need for other updates.

_____________

I can't see any way to see updates needing to be installed by month - I
just
have five updates which it says I need to install, having previously
installed several other sets of updates earlier today. Also, I can't see
any .NET updates in either list except for some that were installed
several
months before I bought the laptop.


_____________
In the future, a link to a screen shot (hosted on a third party site)
showing the updates might be helpful for folks to better aid
you (i.e. you've not provided any info so far on what updates are being
installed/reinstalled etc).

_____________

I haven't yet had time to install any graphics software on the new machine
so can't do that yet. (Nor have I had time to get any NNTP software
working
on the new machine yet, which is why I'm still using OE on my old laptop
to
post this.)

Dave

I recently installed a retail Win 7 Ultimate on a new machine. After
installing
Win Security Essentials, I went to CP, updates and was presented with 81!

I babysat it, with several required reboots and finally got them all. Took
at
least an hour. Now all is quiet. YMMV...

Chris

 

[Paul]

Hi Chris

| Some updates are predicated on previous updates. You'll get them all
| eventually,
| with a few reboots, then you'll rarely see an update except the second
| Tuesday
| of the month. Trust me.

I hope you're right, but it still seems odd to me that literally every time
it restarts, meaning several times per day, it insists there are yet more
updates needing to be installed. But I've changed the setting to "check but
let me choose" as suggested by Winston, and if it sorts itself out as you
suggest it will within the next week or so, then I won't disable it.

Thanks

Dave

For your sanity, turn off Windows Update, then run manually.

I do mine manually on the laptop, and it hasn't harmed anything.

*******

As for SP1, if your original install is pre-SP1, some day you
may need to reinstall. In which case, you should download a copy
of the appropriate SP1 file for safe keeping.

On the plus side, doing SP1 via Windows Updates, saves on downloaded
bytes. If you were on dialup for example, that might make the
difference between "possible" and "impossible". But for any other
purpose, it's just better to keep a copy for a rainy day. There
are standalone downloads for that purpose.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=5842

windows6.1-KB976932-X64.exe 903.2 MB Download <--- 64 bit
windows6.1-KB976932-X86.exe 537.8 MB Download <--- 32 bit

Paul

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Hi Bobby


| I had a similar problem on my wife's Win7 64bit desktop this weekend &
| fixed it by installing the updates one by one (there were 4 updates in
| total I believe). Apparently one of those updates was preventing all of
| them from being installed properly.

Under "View Update History" in Control Panel > Windows Update, out of around
300 updates it says it's installed, only two are marked as having Failed,
and both were installed long before I got the laptop.

In total, it says that 23 updates have been installed since I got the
laptop, all successfully - which on the face of it isn't that many, given
that I only bought it recently and there could have been a backlog - but the
point is, it didn't install 23 updates in one go - literally every time I
restart Windows, it claims that I have new updates that I need to install.
If there's a backlog, why can't it just get on and install all of them
instead of doing a few here and a few there, and doing some every time I
restart? Even more intrusively, it periodically insists on "reminding" me
that I have updates needing to be installed, and asking me to restart, which
is absolutely maddening when it had installed several updates earlier the
same day. What could be going on? I certainly couldn't live with this long
term, and if there's no way to get it to install all necessary updates and
then leave me alone for a while, I will be faced with the straight choice
between disabling Windows Update or being committed to a psychiatric
hospital.

| From control panel (or however you normally do it), go to Windows
| Update & in the left menu, click on "view update history". More than
| likely you're going to see several updates that were "unsuccessful". If
| so, go back to the main update page. If it shows "no updates are
| available, run "check for updates". If it shows updates are available,
| deselect all but the first one & install that one only. Assuming that
| one was successful, you can now try to install all of the others or
| continue doing them one by one. (I installed the first 2 manually &
| then installed the last 2 as a group.)

See above the main update page always say there are updates to install, and
when I restart it installs them, says they were installed successfully, but
then immediately says I have more updates to install, which are different
from the last lot. So why didn't it install the current lot last time? If
it's down to a backlog, that makes no sense. If it's not down to a backlog,
that implies that Microsoft are distributing updates several times a day
every day and if so, that's just ridiculous.

I feel your pain (or so I will claim). But my experience, and that of
others I know, is not like yours. Nothing at all like yours.

Meaning that I think there's something wrong with your computer
(hardware or software) rather than with Windows Update.

Although I would say that switching to Linux is probably cheaper than
having daily sessions with a therapist.

Since what's happening with you is so far beyond my experience, and
since I am not an expert, all I can offer is moral support. I wish I had
some constructive ideas.

Wait - maybe I have one idea. What would happen if you waited a few more
of these cycles? Would your computer eventually settle down to the
normal once or twice a month cycle? Maybe some patience is in order.

Please don't shoot me for that, I am trying to be helpful

Another idea. You said that when you got the computer, 300 updates were
installed. This implies to me that you got the computer as set up and
used by a previous owner. One might wonder what state that owner left
the computer in. Or even why that person sold it...

Another thing: I just noticed the spelling of "shut down" in your
subject line

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

Every time he "shits" down (sic).

I resisted up to now until you mentioned it!!

I just noticed it for the first time as I was typing a reply a couple of
minutes ago.

OK, I *do* have an excuse: as it's set up, my newsreader truncates the
line both in the header pane and in the header field of the article
pane.

I didn't say it was a good excuse...