Windows 8 - Release Date?

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Former Microsoft Cracker [CORE]

Is there any truth that Windows 8 will be released on 26th October 2012?
I have received an e-mail from Microsoft saying that I will be able to
place an order for windows 8 on or after 26th October 2012 at a special
price of £14.99 for a digital version and additional fee for the media.
It says:

"Beginning on 26 October 2012, registered customers will receive an
email with a promotion code and instructions for purchasing and
downloading the software. The promotion code can be redeemed during the
upgrade ordering process to receive the promotional price."

I have registered and told them about my new Dell computer with Windows
7 and so I am getting very excited to get windows 8.
 
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SC Tom

Former Microsoft Cracker said:
Is there any truth that Windows 8 will be released on 26th October 2012? I
have received an e-mail from Microsoft saying that I will be able to place
an order for windows 8 on or after 26th October 2012 at a special price of
£14.99 for a digital version and additional fee for the media. It says:

"Beginning on 26 October 2012, registered customers will receive an email
with a promotion code and instructions for purchasing and downloading the
software. The promotion code can be redeemed during the upgrade ordering
process to receive the promotional price."

I have registered and told them about my new Dell computer with Windows 7
and so I am getting very excited to get windows 8.
That's the scoop so far (oh boy, happy birthday to me :) NOT!). I don't
know what the rate of exchange is, but here it's $40US.
 
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choro

Is there any truth that Windows 8 will be released on 26th October 2012?
I have received an e-mail from Microsoft saying that I will be able to
place an order for windows 8 on or after 26th October 2012 at a special
price of £14.99 for a digital version and additional fee for the media.
It says:

"Beginning on 26 October 2012, registered customers will receive an
email with a promotion code and instructions for purchasing and
downloading the software. The promotion code can be redeemed during the
upgrade ordering process to receive the promotional price."

I have registered and told them about my new Dell computer with Windows
7 and so I am getting very excited to get windows 8.
I have my Win 7 registered with MS. It is all very well and very good to
be able to update to Win8 for a small fee but what happens if I then
decide that I don't like Win8 and want to go back to Win7? Will the
update enable me to do that? I very much doubt it though.

So this would mean that anybody who updates will be stuck with Win8
whether they like it or not... UNLESS of course they have done a proper
backup of their computer and can take that route back to Win7.

Anybody knows?--
choro
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Good Guy

That's the scoop so far (oh boy, happy birthday to me :) NOT!). I don't
know what the rate of exchange is, but here it's $40US.
No. you can get it for $14.99 but you need to have bought a new
computer or laptop with windows 7 pre-installed:

<https://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US>

The price is 14.99 in the local currency. So USA pays $14.99; UK pays
£14.99; Australians will pay Aus $14.99 etc etc.

Registration is free and you can REGISTER NOW AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. iF
YOU DON'T QUALIFY, NOTHING LOST; NOTHING VENTURED. You don't have to get
it even if you register now because they don't ask for credit CARD
DETAILS NOW.

G/L
 
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Ken1943

I have my Win 7 registered with MS. It is all very well and very good to
be able to update to Win8 for a small fee but what happens if I then
decide that I don't like Win8 and want to go back to Win7? Will the
update enable me to do that? I very much doubt it though.

So this would mean that anybody who updates will be stuck with Win8
whether they like it or not... UNLESS of course they have done a proper
backup of their computer and can take that route back to Win7.

Anybody knows?--
choro
*****
My question is, is it better than win 7 and as stable. I don;t need a new
os for looks.


KenW
 
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Good Guy

So this would mean that anybody who updates will be stuck with Win8
whether they like it or not... UNLESS of course they have done a proper
backup of their computer and can take that route back to Win7.
NOT NECESSARILY. You can always take an image of your HD before
upgrading and if you don't like windows 8 you go back to your old system
like any other operating system.

In a worst case scenario, you can do a clean install of Windows 7!!!
 
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Good Guy

My question is, is it better than win 7 and as stable. I don;t need a new
os for looks.
All Microsoft software are buggy when first released; You need to wait
until SP1 comes out to get any semblance of "stableness"

Also, as you may remember, windows Me wasn't good but XP was pretty
good; Vista was horrible then came Windows 7 which is accepted to be
pretty stable. So using this trend, Windows 8 may not be as successful
as Windows 7.

Any way to pay $14.99 is not much so better get it and if you don't like
it throw it away or give it away to somebody who can use it.

However, NOT Everyone qualifies; you need to have bought a new system
between June and February next year. It says:

"If you buy a qualified Windows 7 PC between June 2, 2012 and January
31, 2013, you can purchase a download of Windows 8 Pro at a special
promotional price that varies by region."
 
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Good Guy

However, NOT Everyone qualifies; you need to have bought a new system
between June and February next year. It says:
You will need the following to qualify:

You should expect to provide information such as:
Name
Contact Details
Email address
Phone Number
PC purchase details
PC make / model
Purchase date
Retailer / PC Manufacturer

Additional information may be requested to enable your registration to
be validated, including the Windows 7 product key for your qualified PC.
 
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Paul

Ken1943 said:
My question is, is it better than win 7 and as stable. I don;t need a new
os for looks.

KenW
All I can tell you is, something I was doing on WinXP the other day,
failed after processing about 500GB of data.

When I reran it on Windows 8, the job went smoother (in terms of the
machine remaining responsive while it was going on), and the compute
job actually finished. (It would be pretty hard to "compare performance",
when the WinXP run never finished :-( )

On the WinXP machine, the NTFS file system seems to be to blame,
using up more and more cycles as time passes (it seems like it's
a memory fragmentation problem, related to file systems). I've had
this problem before, while using my WinTV card (uncompressed video capture).
It got so bad this time, that I got a "Delayed Write Failure" which
caused the program running in WinXP, to exit (while I wasn't sitting
in front of the machine).

So Windows 8, does seem to be a bit better under the hood, in this
one tiny example.

Windows 8 differs a bit, in terms of memory management. Which I hope
is why the whole test case went smoother. I refuse to believe the
scheduler is that much better. There really shouldn't be that much
room for improvements in the scheduler (my machine is only a dual core
with shared L2, so you can't be too crafty with that setup, in terms
of scheduler innovations - whether a task bounces around should make
no difference with such hardware).

On the minus side, when Windows 8 has a problem, you tend to not
get a nice BSOD to look at. More likely a black screen, with
a terse and useless English text with the equivalent of
"better luck next time". I prefer to see piles of hex digits,
because I can do something with those. I haven't looked into
disabling all the automatic reporting in Windows 8, so I can
actually get a crash dump for my own usage instead. It took a
bit of work to get that working in the other OSes. So that remains
an area of concern (getting a crash dump for personal inspection
and resolution).

For me, the ChassicShell add-on makes the thing palatable, whereas
if that were to break, I'd be "out of there". Same thing happened
to my interest in Ubuntu. That "tile crap" is for the birds. As
a bonus, in Ubuntu, the usefulness of the "tile crap", changes with
your screen real estate. So when two people discuss how bad it is,
the person with the small screen is really suffering, because they
can't even see all the graphic elements someone with a larger screen
can see. Someone with a larger screen in Ubuntu, might say "what are
you complaining about ?", when the two of them aren't seeing
exactly the same thing. I don't know if Windows 8 has any cases
like that or not.

I only have one machine here, which is rated well enough to run
Windows 8. My secondary machine, has a good enough processor, but
there's no driver for the video card on that box, and Microsoft
decided it would be fun to freeze the screen at a resolution of
1024x768 if there's no driver. And the monitor on that machine is
1440x900, so the screen looks pretty bad. So that's what happens,
if all the hardware isn't new stuff. So it would cost me
the price of Windows 8, plus another $50 video card, to get
a decent looking screen on my backup machine in Windows 8.

Paul
 
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choro

All Microsoft software are buggy when first released; You need to wait
until SP1 comes out to get any semblance of "stableness"

Also, as you may remember, windows Me wasn't good but XP was pretty
good; Vista was horrible then came Windows 7 which is accepted to be
pretty stable. So using this trend, Windows 8 may not be as successful
as Windows 7.

Any way to pay $14.99 is not much so better get it and if you don't like
it throw it away or give it away to somebody who can use it.

However, NOT Everyone qualifies; you need to have bought a new system
between June and February next year. It says:

"If you buy a qualified Windows 7 PC between June 2, 2012 and January
31, 2013, you can purchase a download of Windows 8 Pro at a special
promotional price that varies by region."
That does it for me! Actually I very much doubted that it would have
been worth upgrading to Win8 anyway. And true, it is best to wait until
SP1 comes out to smooth over the cracks and the bugs of any new MS OS by
which time one would have heard on the grapevine whether Win8 did
actually offer any improvements over Win7.--
choro
*****
 
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choro

NOT NECESSARILY. You can always take an image of your HD before
upgrading
What is the difference? I thought doing a backup created an image of
your HD, unless of course you clone your HD onto another HD? Or am I
missing something?--
choro
*****
 
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Good Guy

What is the difference? I thought doing a backup created an image of
your HD, unless of course you clone your HD onto another HD? Or am I
missing something?--
I was referring to cloning a HD on to an external hard drive because
when I install a new OS, I prefer to do a clean install and so I like to
reformat the HD and wipe it clean. This way I know there aren't anything
that could hinder better performance of new operating system. You never
know, anti-virus programs can't catch everything so a clean install is
the only way to make sure the system is clean. Of course this is
debatable and I don't want to start a fight over this. It is just my
preference.

I use the term "backup" to backup my own documents like personal
files, pictures, videos, emails etc. These are just copied over to a
flash drive with windows explorer without using any backup tools. To
clone a drive I use Acronis True Image which I upgrade every year to get
compatibility with all hard disks new and old.
 
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choro

I was referring to cloning a HD on to an external hard drive because
when I install a new OS, I prefer to do a clean install and so I like to
reformat the HD and wipe it clean. This way I know there aren't anything
that could hinder better performance of new operating system. You never
know, anti-virus programs can't catch everything so a clean install is
the only way to make sure the system is clean. Of course this is
debatable and I don't want to start a fight over this. It is just my
preference.

I use the term "backup" to backup my own documents like personal
files, pictures, videos, emails etc. These are just copied over to a
flash drive with windows explorer without using any backup tools. To
clone a drive I use Acronis True Image which I upgrade every year to get
compatibility with all hard disks new and old.
I am with you now. I use my good old XXcopy to "clone" my partitions if
you see what I mean (not true cloning, is it?) where I keep my User
Files while I use Macrium Reflect to do proper backups. One of these
days I intend to do a proper Cloning of my main HD, all the 4 partitions
on it. But first I've got to find the time to release a brand new unused
HD sitting in my old WinXD desktop. And I have become a lazy bastard in
my old age!--
choro
*****
 
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Char Jackson

One of these
days I intend to do a proper Cloning of my main HD, all the 4 partitions
on it. But first I've got to find the time to release a brand new unused
HD sitting in my old WinXD desktop. And I have become a lazy bastard in
my old age!--
It sounds like you have good intentions, but good intentions are no
substitute for a proper backup when you need it. :)
 
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G. Morgan

choro said:
I have my Win 7 registered with MS. It is all very well and very good to
be able to update to Win8 for a small fee but what happens if I then
decide that I don't like Win8 and want to go back to Win7? Will the
update enable me to do that? I very much doubt it though.

So this would mean that anybody who updates will be stuck with Win8
whether they like it or not... UNLESS of course they have done a proper
backup of their computer and can take that route back to Win7.

I made a Ghost image of the Win 7 partition before upgrading, put it on
a USB HDD. I can always revert that way. I have not checked if there
is a 'downgrade' feature built-in (I doubt it, they (MS) never have
before). OEM's would handle that.

I didn't install Win 8 from bootable media (I made a bootable flash
drive), I ran setup within Windows 7. It took a long time (2 hours) for
the upgrade but went seamlessly. All my old programs work so far. Since
the RTM just came out this week I have not had a lot of time to dive
into everything.

One thing, FAST boots! From cold boot to welcome screen is 32 seconds,
6 more and I have a working desktop in classic shell (or Metro
interface). That's about half of the time Win 7 took on this machine.
 
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Paul

G. Morgan said:
I made a Ghost image of the Win 7 partition before upgrading, put it on
a USB HDD. I can always revert that way. I have not checked if there
is a 'downgrade' feature built-in (I doubt it, they (MS) never have
before). OEM's would handle that.

I didn't install Win 8 from bootable media (I made a bootable flash
drive), I ran setup within Windows 7. It took a long time (2 hours) for
the upgrade but went seamlessly. All my old programs work so far. Since
the RTM just came out this week I have not had a lot of time to dive
into everything.

One thing, FAST boots! From cold boot to welcome screen is 32 seconds,
6 more and I have a working desktop in classic shell (or Metro
interface). That's about half of the time Win 7 took on this machine.
Except those cold boots in Windows 8, aren't really cold boots.
Windows 8 has "kernel hibernation".

http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/windows8/hibernation-windows-8-143523

So there's another flavor of hibernation at work, which accounts for some
time saving. If you manage to disable all of that, you might see something
closer to a traditional Windows boot time.

Keep your eyes open, and you might also catch the machine booting back
into Windows 8, when you were expecting one of your other OSes to boot.
My machine seemed to think it was in "Hibernate", when I was in the
process of booting into another OS, and I ended up with no control
over the machine, and it booted back into Windows 8 again. Tricky.

Paul
 
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BillW50

It sounds like you have good intentions, but good intentions are no
substitute for a proper backup when you need it. :)
I've been burned by backups. Backups are worthless if you can't restore.
Acronis is one known that can often fail during restores from USB
drives. And Paragon can get the boot record wrong. The only reliable way
is to clone drives. And use the clone to make sure everything is ok. And
save your working original in case you ever need it.
 
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choro

When did you buy the Win7 machine? If before June 2nd this year, it
doesn't qualify.
There's always a catch, isn't there? Anyway, I am not gona cry just
because I can't have a cheapie Win8. I've got Win XP, the annoying Vista
and Win7 already. I don't want to get throughly and utterly confused by
adding a Win8 machine, do I?--
choro
*****
 
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BillW50

There's always a catch, isn't there? Anyway, I am not gona cry just
because I can't have a cheapie Win8. I've got Win XP, the annoying Vista
and Win7 already. I don't want to get throughly and utterly confused by
adding a Win8 machine, do I?--
choro
*****
I too rather use XP than Windows 7/8. As neither Windows 7/8 are very
administrator friendly.
 

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