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Good Guy
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BobbyM
Where are all MVPs these days? Have they all been fired?
MVPs were found in the Microsoft sanctioned groups, which MS shut down &
migrated to internet forums.
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Good Guy
BobbyM said:MVPs were found in the Microsoft sanctioned groups, which MS shut down
& migrated to internet forums.
OK thanks for the swift reply.
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Paul
Good said:OK thanks for the swift reply.
This particular group (alt.windows7.general) was never sanctioned by Microsoft.
MVPs used to hang out around microsoft.* groups (perhaps 1500+ groups).
The groups originally started on a Microsoft server, but other servers
started to carry them as well. Microsoft eventually decided it was time
to shut down its own microsoft.* server. But since it was never managed
by sending official newgroup or rmgroup commands, other server admins
did not have a strong incentive to shut down their microsoft.* groups.
That means the microsoft.* groups still run, just not on a Microsoft owned
server. There could be hundreds of other USENET servers with
microsoft.* groups, all offering and accepting messages from one
another for those groups. It means if you post in microsoft.*, you
still get world-wide propagation.
Microsoft moved to web forums, and the MVPs for the most part, moved
to the web forums as well. Only a couple MVPs show up occasionally
on USENET. Another drops in every couple of months.
Since USENET participants would no longer be offered MVP status
for answering questions on USENET, there's no longer a "competition"
for MVP status out here. And I have no idea what status Microsoft
offers answerers on the web forums. Microsoft seems to have some
"lame staff" who answer questions over there (they're technical
people, but they lack communications skills and the ability to
figure out what question the asker is really asking).
And if you visit those forums, you'll understand why some of us
out here aren't interested in them. There is still good technical
content to be obtained on the Microsoft web servers - just use a
search engine to find it. As asking a question over there, might
be slightly frustrating.
Paul
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...winston
How many are you trying to find ?
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Where are all MVPs these days? Have they all been fired?
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Where are all MVPs these days? Have they all been fired?
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
BobbyM said:MVPs were found in the Microsoft sanctioned groups, which MS shut down
& migrated to internet forums.
As another has explained, MS no longer give credit for help posted on
usenet. I wonder if they actually disapprove of, or at least "deprecate"
(I hate that word!), assistance given here.
(And thanks for being here Winston at least!)
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XS11E
J. P. Gilliver (John) said:As another has explained, MS no longer give credit for help posted
on usenet. I wonder if they actually disapprove of, or at least
"deprecate" (I hate that word!), assistance given here.
They certainly don't disapprove or deprecate, MSFT neither knows or
cares what's posted on Usenet.
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R. C. White
Hi, Guy.
Microsoft couldn't fire us because they never hired us. ;^}
Microsoft Most Valuable Professionals have always been volunteers. Most of
us were offering whatever help we could for decades before the MVP program
even existed. To encourage us to continue, Microsoft created the MVP Award
which recognized us for the work that we had done in the past. They did not
require us to do anything because that would have made us their employees;
they would have had to pay us and provide other employee benefits.
When I was first offered the award in 2002, I hesitated. I worried, among
other things, that I would be expect to "follow the company line" and say
only good things about Microsoft. But they assured me that there were no
such restrictions. I soon learned that Microsoft considered MVPs among
their most constructive - and most vocal - critics. In the past few years,
though, two trends have been evident. First is the move of Microsoft
support from Usenet to social networks, from Forums to Twitter and beyond.
Second is the perception (mine, at least) that the MVP award now recognizes
"evangelism" more and user support less than in the past.
Since I'm an old fogy who never got comfy in Forums, much less Facebook et
al, my participation in the modern venues has been very low, and I
understandably did not receive the MVP award at my October 1, 2010,
anniversary date. Many of my colleagues also were not renewed; those who
made the transition to Forums remain.
So, there are only a few MVPs in Usenet these days because nearly all of us
have either (a) migrated to Forums and out of Usenet or (b) lost our MVP
status because we did not do (a). :>( I'm very happy that Winston
(...winston) and a few other intrepid experts continue to participate in
both universes.
Microsoft has discarded Usenet, a support network that has served millions
of users well for many years - and continues to do so without Microsoft's
participation. I'm not bitter about this, but I am very disappointed and
unhappy. And I'm still proud to say that I was an MVP for 8 years. ;^}
RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email protected]
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1
Where are all MVPs these days? Have they all been fired?
Microsoft couldn't fire us because they never hired us. ;^}
Microsoft Most Valuable Professionals have always been volunteers. Most of
us were offering whatever help we could for decades before the MVP program
even existed. To encourage us to continue, Microsoft created the MVP Award
which recognized us for the work that we had done in the past. They did not
require us to do anything because that would have made us their employees;
they would have had to pay us and provide other employee benefits.
When I was first offered the award in 2002, I hesitated. I worried, among
other things, that I would be expect to "follow the company line" and say
only good things about Microsoft. But they assured me that there were no
such restrictions. I soon learned that Microsoft considered MVPs among
their most constructive - and most vocal - critics. In the past few years,
though, two trends have been evident. First is the move of Microsoft
support from Usenet to social networks, from Forums to Twitter and beyond.
Second is the perception (mine, at least) that the MVP award now recognizes
"evangelism" more and user support less than in the past.
Since I'm an old fogy who never got comfy in Forums, much less Facebook et
al, my participation in the modern venues has been very low, and I
understandably did not receive the MVP award at my October 1, 2010,
anniversary date. Many of my colleagues also were not renewed; those who
made the transition to Forums remain.
So, there are only a few MVPs in Usenet these days because nearly all of us
have either (a) migrated to Forums and out of Usenet or (b) lost our MVP
status because we did not do (a). :>( I'm very happy that Winston
(...winston) and a few other intrepid experts continue to participate in
both universes.
Microsoft has discarded Usenet, a support network that has served millions
of users well for many years - and continues to do so without Microsoft's
participation. I'm not bitter about this, but I am very disappointed and
unhappy. And I'm still proud to say that I was an MVP for 8 years. ;^}
RC
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R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email protected]
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1
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Peter Foldes
Most of the MVP's are over at the microsoft Web Forums and you have a few that show
up on different servers and on different groups on those servers.
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
I suspect they do, both. (For the second, care, just try postingXS11E said:They certainly don't disapprove or deprecate, MSFT neither knows or
cares what's posted on Usenet.
something that $£%T%$£$£$
LOST CARRIER
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J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
(If you are unlucky you may choose one of the old-fashioned ones [language
schools] and be taught English as it should be, and not as it is, spoken.)
George Mikes, "How to be Decadent" (1977).
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J. P. Gilliver (John)
R. C. said:Hi, Guy.
--
(Aargh, a properly-formed .sig separator at the _top_ of your post!)
[]
Since I'm an old fogy who never got comfy in Forums, much less Facebook et al, my participation in the modern venues has been very low, and I
(-: [me too]
understandably did not receive the MVP award at my October 1, 2010, anniversary date. Many of my colleagues also were not renewed; those who
made the transition to Forums remain.
So, there are only a few MVPs in Usenet these days because nearly all of us have either (a) migrated to Forums and out of Usenet or (b) lost
our MVP status because we did not do (a). :>( I'm very happy that Winston (...winston) and a few other intrepid experts continue to
participate in both universes.
Can you call yourself an ex-MVP? I (a) can't see they can stop you, (b)
would think that might actually be seen as _more_ honourable in some
ways (-:!
Microsoft has discarded Usenet, a support network that has served millions of users well for many years - and continues to do so without
Microsoft's participation. I'm not bitter about this, but I am very disappointed and unhappy. And I'm still proud to say that I was an MVP
for 8 years. ;^}
Ah, I see you can. But put it in your .sig!
RC
--
(Now that one was where a .sig separator _should_ be, but is lacking the
trailing space.)
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
[email protected]
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3555.0308) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
(If you are unlucky you may choose one of the old-fashioned ones [language
schools] and be taught English as it should be, and not as it is, spoken.)
George Mikes, "How to be Decadent" (1977).
X
XS11E
I suspect they do, both. (For the second, care, just try posting
something that $£%T%$£$£$
LOST CARRIER
Nope, MSFT only monitors their own forums now, Usenet is non-existant
to them and has been ever since they shut off their own servers.
I'm sure MSFT employees do monitor this group and others but the
company has no interest.
There's been plenty of "MSFT sucks" posts.
S
Stan Brown
Hi, Guy.
You might not be aware of a big problem with your quoting style.
The way your newsreader is doing it, when someone else follows
up, it looks like you *said* what you actually only quoted.
The problem is that Windows Live Mail 2011 (version 15) has a
quoting style that is completely broken. Unfortunately that poses
a painful choice to you: either fix every quote manually, or get
a real newsreader such as Gravity, Xananews, and Forte Agent (to
mention some that come to mind at the moment). OR, if you really
want WLM, some say that WLM 14 will serve; see "SC Tom" below.
update 2011-04-02: I've seen a newsgroup posting claiming you
can un-break WLM 15 by installing and using an Autohotkey script:
http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/
Thanks for your consideration!
Along with what the others have suggested, you can uninstall
WLM 2011 and install WLM 2009 instead, which handles quoting
a lot better:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?
FamilyID=56883de5-2024-4631-806e-757693072a1c
[or use http://tinyurl.com/25zfouw which redirects to the above]
S
Stan Brown
Most of the MVP's are over at the microsoft Web Forums and you have a few that show
up on different servers and on different groups on those servers.
You posted upside down, and therefore all the material you quoted
became part of your signature.
http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#quote
Also, please adjust your line length.
H
Henk & Ingrid
BobbyM said:MVPs were found in the Microsoft sanctioned groups, which MS shut down &
migrated to internet forums.
All *Most Valued Prostitutes* were fired, good riddance!
J
John Ferrell
I for one, miss them.
I found some better suited my needs than others, but they earned my
respect!
I found some better suited my needs than others, but they earned my
respect!
John Ferrell W8CCWAll *Most Valued Prostitutes* were fired, good riddance!
C
charlie
I for one, miss them.
I found some better suited my needs than others, but they earned my
respect!
John Ferrell W8CCW
There are some old timers still around that don't care much for the
newer scheme of things.
OPS systems MVP, Compuserve days till 2004.
K
Ken Blake
This particular group (alt.windows7.general) was never sanctioned by Microsoft.
MVPs used to hang out around microsoft.* groups (perhaps 1500+ groups).
The groups originally started on a Microsoft server, but other servers
started to carry them as well. Microsoft eventually decided it was time
to shut down its own microsoft.* server. But since it was never managed
by sending official newgroup or rmgroup commands, other server admins
did not have a strong incentive to shut down their microsoft.* groups.
That means the microsoft.* groups still run, just not on a Microsoft owned
server. There could be hundreds of other USENET servers with
microsoft.* groups, all offering and accepting messages from one
another for those groups. It means if you post in microsoft.*, you
still get world-wide propagation.
Microsoft moved to web forums, and the MVPs for the most part, moved
to the web forums as well. Only a couple MVPs show up occasionally
on USENET. Another drops in every couple of months.
For "the most part," yes. But some of us still hang around here too
(but I've been away on vacation for the past couple of weeks).
W
...winston
Private nntp servers (not carried on the big Usenet domain) are contributory
for MVP's as well as Msft forum contributions, blogging, and other community
activities in support of Msft products. Microsoft groups that continue to
exist on third party servers after the closure of the msnews server do not.
While some public nntp groups may be read by MSFT personnel, monitoring
would be stretch definition.
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....winston
msft mvp mail
"XS11E" wrote in message
I'm sure MSFT employees do monitor this group and others but the
company has no interest.
There's been plenty of "MSFT sucks" posts.
for MVP's as well as Msft forum contributions, blogging, and other community
activities in support of Msft products. Microsoft groups that continue to
exist on third party servers after the closure of the msnews server do not.
While some public nntp groups may be read by MSFT personnel, monitoring
would be stretch definition.
--
....winston
msft mvp mail
"XS11E" wrote in message
to them and has been ever since they shut off their own servers.Nope, MSFT only monitors their own forums now, Usenet is non-existant
I'm sure MSFT employees do monitor this group and others but the
company has no interest.
There's been plenty of "MSFT sucks" posts.
W
...winston
A police captain once told me that no matter how much he counseled others on
what's right and/or wrong there will always be group that doesn't give a
rat's patootie.
Oops..I top posted using WLM and ignored quoted '>' text.
--
....winston
msft mvp mail
"Stan Brown" wrote in message
You posted upside down, and therefore all the material you quoted
became part of your signature.
http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#quote
Also, please adjust your line length.
what's right and/or wrong there will always be group that doesn't give a
rat's patootie.
Oops..I top posted using WLM and ignored quoted '>' text.
--
....winston
msft mvp mail
"Stan Brown" wrote in message
You posted upside down, and therefore all the material you quoted
became part of your signature.
http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#quote
Also, please adjust your line length.