Upgrade to Windows 8?

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rfdjr1

I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit on a machine with an Intel
i7-930 processor and 12Gb RAM. Not sureif this all matters. Do I gain anything
at all by upgrading to Windows 8? I don't have a touch screen monitor and have
no desire to use one. I have an Android tablet which pretty much sits in the
house next to me by the sofa, and I have an Android smart phone which leaves the
house one or twice a week (I have OnStar in my car and I'm not one who is glued
to their phones 24/7) I mention the tablet and phone because my understanding is
that Windows 8 connects with mobile devices or some such.

So that being said, is WIndows 8 any improvement for me? Thanks.
 
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Wolf K

I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit on a machine with an Intel
i7-930 processor and 12Gb RAM. Not sureif this all matters. Do I gain anything
at all by upgrading to Windows 8? I don't have a touch screen monitor and have
no desire to use one. I have an Android tablet which pretty much sits in the
house next to me by the sofa, and I have an Android smart phone which leaves the
house one or twice a week (I have OnStar in my car and I'm not one who is glued
to their phones 24/7) I mention the tablet and phone because my understanding is
that Windows 8 connects with mobile devices or some such.

So that being said, is WIndows 8 any improvement for me? Thanks.
No.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit on a machine with an Intel
i7-930 processor and 12Gb RAM. Not sureif this all matters. Do I gain anything
at all by upgrading to Windows 8? I don't have a touch screen monitor and have
no desire to use one. I have an Android tablet which pretty much sits in the
house next to me by the sofa, and I have an Android smart phone which leaves the
house one or twice a week (I have OnStar in my car and I'm not one who is glued
to their phones 24/7) I mention the tablet and phone because my understanding is
that Windows 8 connects with mobile devices or some such.

So that being said, is WIndows 8 any improvement for me? Thanks.
Yes. Or else no.

Probably no, unless you have s specific need that W8 addresses, or
unless you like to experiment.
 
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rfdjr1

Yes. Or else no.

Probably no, unless you have s specific need that W8 addresses, or
unless you like to experiment.
I guess that's the crux of my question. What specific need would Windows 8 offer
me that Windows 7 doesn't, not counting anything to do with mobile devices.
 
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Bruce Hagen

On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 21:13:42 -0500, (e-mail address removed) wrote:


I guess that's the crux of my question. What specific need would Windows 8
offer
me that Windows 7 doesn't, not counting anything to do with mobile
devices.



Migraine headaches.
 
M

Mellowed

I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit on a machine with an Intel
i7-930 processor and 12Gb RAM. Not sureif this all matters. Do I gain anything
at all by upgrading to Windows 8? I don't have a touch screen monitor and have
no desire to use one. I have an Android tablet which pretty much sits in the
house next to me by the sofa, and I have an Android smart phone which leaves the
house one or twice a week (I have OnStar in my car and I'm not one who is glued
to their phones 24/7) I mention the tablet and phone because my understanding is
that Windows 8 connects with mobile devices or some such.

So that being said, is WIndows 8 any improvement for me? Thanks.
Not in my opinion. I "upgraded" my new Win 7 laptop to Win 8 with the
$14.99 offer. I considered it an education. Wish I had left my Win 7
alone. I just replaced my x32 Vista desktop with a new x64 Win 7 PRO
desktop. That was an easy choice based upon my "education".

I did like IE10 in Win 8. A Beta IE10 is now downloadable for Win 7.
It is worth the download, IMHO. So, don't rock the boat. Save the grief.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

I guess that's the crux of my question. What specific need would Windows 8 offer
me that Windows 7 doesn't, not counting anything to do with mobile devices.
Sorry, that's for you to answer for yourself.
 
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Paul in Houston TX

I guess that's the crux of my question. What specific need would Windows 8 offer
me that Windows 7 doesn't, not counting anything to do with mobile devices.
You get to tell everyone that you have the latest O/S and are
2013 tech savvy.
 
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Anon

wrote in message
I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit on a machine with an
Intel
i7-930 processor and 12Gb RAM. Not sureif this all matters. Do I gain
anything
at all by upgrading to Windows 8? I don't have a touch screen monitor and
have
no desire to use one. I have an Android tablet which pretty much sits in the
house next to me by the sofa, and I have an Android smart phone which leaves
the
house one or twice a week (I have OnStar in my car and I'm not one who is
glued
to their phones 24/7) I mention the tablet and phone because my
understanding is
that Windows 8 connects with mobile devices or some such.

So that being said, is WIndows 8 any improvement for me? Thanks.
.................................

We have similar hardware and other devices.

Long story short. Get yourself the Logitech Touchpad ($79) and then do a
dual-boot install putting Win8 on another drive. I would suggest an 80Gb
minimum SSD. With this setup you can get a better feel for Win8.

Win8 on a PC without a touch screen - sucks. Plain and simple. Put a
Touchpad on it and you can do all the finger gestures needed to get the most
benefit out of Win8 and by the way, the Touchpad can be used with Win7 also.

I have several systems and a laptop all setup for dual booting either Win7
or Win8 so I can learn / play / experiment. Win8 is useful and efficient
(for most functions) on a tablet or touch screen set up. And yes, Win8 does
have some distinct advantages over Win7 in several aspects but what those
are depends on how and what you use it for obviously. Win8 will grow on
you - just as your Android devices have. It does have better security and
more usability (less geeky).

If you don't like the Win8 GUI you can always install a shell interface that
gives you a Win7 GUI experience. That works nicely on a Win8 installation
on a PC or laptop that does not have a touchscreen or Touchpad device and
gives you the Win8 advantages with the familiar Win7 feel. Classic Shell is
free http://www.classicshell.net/ and I've not had any problems using it.
And you can still access the Win8 GUI...

You do not need the TouchPad or the SSD - I only suggest those so that you
will get the most benefit from Win8. There are things I don't like about it
but they really boil down to "Now where in the hell did they hide it..." or
how can I do such and such. May as well get used to it and get ahead of the
curve a bit so you can use it comfortably and make it work for you - versus
frustration later.

Bob S.
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

This IMO is about the most objective post I've seen on the subject (of 7
vs 8) so far.

I have several systems and a laptop all setup for dual booting either
Win7 or Win8 so I can learn / play / experiment. Win8 is useful and
efficient (for most functions) on a tablet or touch screen set up. And
yes, Win8 does have some distinct advantages over Win7 in several
aspects but what those are depends on how and what you use it for
obviously. Win8 will grow on you - just as your Android devices have.
It does have better security and more usability (less geeky).[/QUOTE]
(Care to expand on the latter?)
If you don't like the Win8 GUI you can always install a shell interface
that gives you a Win7 GUI experience. That works nicely on a Win8
installation on a PC or laptop that does not have a touchscreen or
Touchpad device and gives you the Win8 advantages with the familiar
Which are (for non-touchscreen users) - the security and usability you
mention above, or others?
Win7 feel. Classic Shell is free http://www.classicshell.net/ and I've
not had any problems using it. And you can still access the Win8 GUI...
[FWIW the few minutes I had to play with a W8 machine - for an elderly
person who had got used to her 7 - I agree, CS - free - is good; I just
didn't have time to see if 8+CS was actually better than 7. (She'd
bought a new PC because something wrong with the old one: I hadn't been
able to stop her as I didn't know 'till too late {she traded in the old
one}.)]
You do not need the TouchPad or the SSD - I only suggest those so that
you will get the most benefit from Win8. There are things I don't like
about it but they really boil down to "Now where in the hell did they
hide it..." or how can I do such and such. May as well get used to it
and get ahead of the curve a bit so you can use it comfortably and make
it work for you - versus frustration later.
I fear that is the case; new PCs from the usual suspects, i. e. where
most people are going to buy them (in UK anyway), have 8, so we'd better
get used to it.
 
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Bob Henson

I guess that's the crux of my question. What specific need would Windows 8 offer
me that Windows 7 doesn't, not counting anything to do with mobile devices.
You gain nothing at all - you lose a few things that have been cut out
of Windows 7 so Windows 8 will fit on phones and toy computers better.
You get an unusable interface designed for touch screens which you will
have to get rid of before you can use it normally.
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit on a machine with
an Intel i7-930 processor and 12Gb RAM. Not sureif this all matters.
Do I gain anything at all by upgrading to Windows 8? I don't have a
touch screen monitor and have no desire to use one. I have an Android
tablet which pretty much sits in the house next to me by the sofa,
and I have an Android smart phone which leaves the house one or twice
a week (I have OnStar in my car and I'm not one who is glued to
their phones 24/7) I mention the tablet and phone because my
understanding is that Windows 8 connects with mobile devices or some
such.

So that being said, is WIndows 8 any improvement for me? Thanks.
Windows 8 is an update, not an upgrade. "Update" and "upgrade" are not
necessarily the same thing. If you do not need or want features specific
to Windows 8, don't bother.
 
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Paul

I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit on a machine with an Intel
i7-930 processor and 12Gb RAM. Not sureif this all matters. Do I gain anything
at all by upgrading to Windows 8? I don't have a touch screen monitor and have
no desire to use one. I have an Android tablet which pretty much sits in the
house next to me by the sofa, and I have an Android smart phone which leaves the
house one or twice a week (I have OnStar in my car and I'm not one who is glued
to their phones 24/7) I mention the tablet and phone because my understanding is
that Windows 8 connects with mobile devices or some such.

So that being said, is WIndows 8 any improvement for me? Thanks.
Back when it was being offered for $39.95, this discussion
was worth having.

Now that it costs more, it's not worth considering any more.

I have Win8 x64 on this computer (as a boot option on a triple
boot machine). I hardly ever run it, except if I need to test
something in a "Win8 environment".

*******

Quoting from a previous posting...

Not much has changed.

http://www.anandtech.com/print/5630

There are some application benchmarks here.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406668,00.asp

Video Rendering Win7 x64 Win8 x64
(minutes:seconds, smaller is better) 1:22 1:11

Those two might give you a start on the topic.

HTH,
Paul
 
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Wolf K

Perhaps you might want to reevaluate that statement.

MS refers to it as an upgrade... every time.
Goodness gracious me! MS has discovered magic! Just label something
whatever you want, and abracadabra, it becomes what the label says.

Now if MS can devise an app for that....
 
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Anon

John,

I'm going to top-post this just for ease of reading my response to your
comments but I'll leave the thread in-tact so others can read it and then
understand the rest.

1. Usability. Win8 with only a mouse is an exercise in frustration. It is
difficult to do gestures, say a side swipe with a high precision mouse
because the ergonomics are different. Add the fact that the Win8 interface
(the underbelly) is not really intuitive on how to access Settings or other
Personalization features. The so-called Metro GUI will get better I feel
even if MS doesn't touch it, others most certainly will bend it to their
will and we'll all benefit from their efforts.

2. Security. Now embedded in Win8. I have a number of computers and I've
test driven a Win8 system into some well known sites that like to hijack
your browser and drop Trojan's. When accessed on my other Win7 systems (well
protected), I get all sorts of red-flags by my antivirus software as well as
redirects by DynDNS telling me the site is bad. Win8 never missed a beat
either and stopped the malware action and/or quarantined the download. So
far no malware has penetrated Win8 defenses but surely they will. That
makes the Win8 restoration process a valuable tool. I've only played with it
a couple of times so I don't know all the in's and out's except that it
worked.

3. While it will be a long time before the enterprise installations convert
from their PC's to tabletop / tablet / wallboard screen systems for everyday
use, it will happen. Right now we see more and more uses for tablets being
used in law enforcement as well in military and industrial scenarios where
portability is key and ease of use is paramount. Even the iPad has drawbacks
and it's been around a lot longer... Win8 is not going away but it will get
better simply because users will make their demands known. It may in fact be
called Win9 by then but hey, we've evolved from Win 3.1 - remember those
days....

Now I'm sure the purists will climb all over me for top-posting so I'll get
my fire retardant shorts ready.

Thanks for you kind comment,

Bob S.


"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message

This IMO is about the most objective post I've seen on the subject (of 7
vs 8) so far.

I have several systems and a laptop all setup for dual booting either Win7
or Win8 so I can learn / play / experiment. Win8 is useful and efficient
(for most functions) on a tablet or touch screen set up. And yes, Win8 does
have some distinct advantages over Win7 in several aspects but what those
are depends on how and what you use it for obviously. Win8 will grow on
you - just as your Android devices have. It does have better security and
more usability (less geeky).[/QUOTE]
(Care to expand on the latter?)
If you don't like the Win8 GUI you can always install a shell interface
that gives you a Win7 GUI experience. That works nicely on a Win8
installation on a PC or laptop that does not have a touchscreen or Touchpad
device and gives you the Win8 advantages with the familiar
Which are (for non-touchscreen users) - the security and usability you
mention above, or others?
Win7 feel. Classic Shell is free http://www.classicshell.net/ and I've not
had any problems using it. And you can still access the Win8 GUI...
[FWIW the few minutes I had to play with a W8 machine - for an elderly
person who had got used to her 7 - I agree, CS - free - is good; I just
didn't have time to see if 8+CS was actually better than 7. (She'd
bought a new PC because something wrong with the old one: I hadn't been
able to stop her as I didn't know 'till too late {she traded in the old
one}.)]
You do not need the TouchPad or the SSD - I only suggest those so that you
will get the most benefit from Win8. There are things I don't like about
it but they really boil down to "Now where in the hell did they hide it..."
or how can I do such and such. May as well get used to it and get ahead of
the curve a bit so you can use it comfortably and make it work for you -
versus frustration later.
I fear that is the case; new PCs from the usual suspects, i. e. where
most people are going to buy them (in UK anyway), have 8, so we'd better
get used to it.
 
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Laszlo Lebrun

u
Win8 on a PC without a touch screen - sucks. Plain and simple. Put a
Touchpad on it and you can do all the finger gestures needed to get the
most benefit out of Win8 and by the way, the Touchpad can be used with
Win7 also.
I strongly disagree.
A touchpad isn't adding any noticeable value, since you still will have
to drive a cusor
which is just plainly sucking.
You won't get the comfort of a touchscreen with a touchpad.
I have several systems and a laptop all setup for dual booting either
Win7 or Win8 so I can learn / play / experiment.
Dual-booting seven and eight is also a VERY bad idea, you lose all the
advantages of the fast Win8 Boot and get a horrible reboot each time you
want to use Windows 7.
If you don't like the Win8 GUI you can always install a shell interface
that gives you a Win7 GUI experience. That works nicely on a Win8
installation on a PC or laptop that does not have a touchscreen or
Touchpad device and gives you the Win8 advantages with the familiar Win7
feel. Classic Shell is free http://www.classicshell.net/ and I've not
had any problems using it. And you can still access the Win8 GUI...
Yes works well.

Windows 8 is however good if you have a low-end notebook and -even
better- if you have a -not too old- weak netbook running on a SSD. There
it rocks.
 
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Laszlo Lebrun

You gain nothing at all - you lose a few things that have been cut out
of Windows 7 so Windows 8 will fit on phones and toy computers better.
You get an unusable interface designed for touch screens which you will
have to get rid of before you can use it normally.
indeed, while I use the desktop for 90% of the time, I really love the
Bing News App. Reading the newspaper content in a nice and consistent
design across the various content providers with a very unobtrusive
advertisement is a refreshing experience that is alone worth the change.
I just fear, that it will not stay that nice once it will become popular.
The rest is just useless for me.
 
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Fokke Nauta

I'm currently running Windows 7 Professional 64 bit on a machine with an Intel
i7-930 processor and 12Gb RAM. Not sureif this all matters. Do I gain anything
at all by upgrading to Windows 8? I don't have a touch screen monitor and have
no desire to use one. I have an Android tablet which pretty much sits in the
house next to me by the sofa, and I have an Android smart phone which leaves the
house one or twice a week (I have OnStar in my car and I'm not one who is glued
to their phones 24/7) I mention the tablet and phone because my understanding is
that Windows 8 connects with mobile devices or some such.

So that being said, is WIndows 8 any improvement for me? Thanks.
No, forget it. I installed W8 in a virtual machine (VMWare) and I'm not
fond of it. It's not an improvement of W7. It has an awful interface and
technically it's not better that W7.

Fokke
 
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J. P. Gilliver (John)

Alias said:
Not really. Vista outsold Win8 at this point of time after the release.
MS has a habit of bad/good/bad/good with their operating systems. 95
was bad, 98 good, Me bad, XP/2000 good, Vista bad, Win 7 good, Win 8
bad. See the pattern? Wait for Win 9.
On the whole I agree 98 and XP good, 7 probably good, Me and Vista
probably bad. However, I've never been sure that the good/bad extended
back as far as 95: sure, 98 was (in many ways - not all! as we lite
users know) an _improvement_ on 95, but 95 was a definite improvement on
3.1 etc.; I'm not sure the same can be said of Me and Vista, except in
very specific areas.

I think it's too soon to tell for 8; certainly, the interface (the
default one - it does have a more desktop-like one) is radically
_different_, enough so that _I_ don't like the _look_ of it (I've not
had the opportunity to actually play with it). However, I think - in the
case of 8 far more than Me and Vista - enough people had decided it was
bad before most of us had even had a chance to try it, that it's not
getting a fair chance. Plus there will be those for whom it is their
first major interface: fewer than for previous rounds, because of the
recession (fewer people buying new computers) and also the maturity of
computers (fewer people never having used a computer much).
 

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