T-Bird set up

[Alex Clayton]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it. I
tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it denies
access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I thought since
it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only have instructions
for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already
on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I am
missing a step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add other account.
check newsgroup account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup
server. Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups with
my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is
where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the
catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I
can remember now how I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop
now.

 

[Big Steel]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it. I
tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it denies
access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I thought since
it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only have instructions
for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already
on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I am
missing a step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add other account.
check newsgroup account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup
server. Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups with
my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is
where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the
catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I
can remember now how I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop
now.

TB should have asked you for User-id and psw to connect to the NNTP
server when you tried to subscribe to a site to get the list of NG(s),
if you have a valid connection based on ISP's NNTP server name.

At least that's what happens for me on the 3 machines I use TB to access
NG(s). It should ask you with pop-up screens to give the credentials,
and a check box on each pop-up screen to tell TB to save the credentials.

 

[Paul]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it. I
tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it denies
access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I thought since
it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only have instructions
for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already
on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I am
missing a step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add other account.
check newsgroup account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup
server. Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups with
my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is
where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the
catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I
can remember now how I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop
now.

One trick in Thunderbird is to click the box

"Always Request Authentication when connecting to this server"

Basically, Thunderbird can attempt to connect with authentication
or without it.

If you enable authentication, Thunderbird will ask you for the username
and password necessary to access the news server.

If you disable authentication, Thunderbird will try to connect without
sending the username and password. And on a fully authenticated
server, this will fail.

Some servers, such as Eternal-September, support both with and without
authentication. If you disable authentication in Thunderbird, you can
connect to that server without a username/password. But there will only
be about a dozen newsgroups in the groups list, including the ".support"
newsgroup where you can ask the server administrator any questions you
might have. By supporting non-authenticated connections, it allows the
user to post to the ".support" group and get help.

If you enable authentication and connect to that server, then fetch the
groups list, there will be thousands of news groups in the list. And
that helps confirm you are actually logged in using your username/password.

You can occasionally find a web page, that gives details on setting
up Thunderbird. In this example, they're using authentication as well
as port 563 for encrypting the path to the server (so no third party
can eavesdrop - but this also prevents you from using Wireshark for
debugging a session). If you used port 119, your username and password
are sent in plaintext (which is what I'm doing right now).

http://www.stanford.edu/services/usenet/thunderbird_pc/index.html

Paul

 

[Thip]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it. I
tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it denies
access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I thought since
it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only have instructions for
OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already on it
from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I am missing a
step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add other account. check
newsgroup account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server.
Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like this one,
and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups with my password
it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter
account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired
a search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how
I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
problems I couldn't solve.

 

[Alex Clayton]

One trick in Thunderbird is to click the box

"Always Request Authentication when connecting to this server"

Basically, Thunderbird can attempt to connect with authentication
or without it.

If you enable authentication, Thunderbird will ask you for the username
and password necessary to access the news server.

If you disable authentication, Thunderbird will try to connect without
sending the username and password. And on a fully authenticated
server, this will fail.

Some servers, such as Eternal-September, support both with and without
authentication. If you disable authentication in Thunderbird, you can
connect to that server without a username/password. But there will only
be about a dozen newsgroups in the groups list, including the ".support"
newsgroup where you can ask the server administrator any questions you
might have. By supporting non-authenticated connections, it allows the
user to post to the ".support" group and get help.

If you enable authentication and connect to that server, then fetch the
groups list, there will be thousands of news groups in the list. And
that helps confirm you are actually logged in using your username/password.

You can occasionally find a web page, that gives details on setting
up Thunderbird. In this example, they're using authentication as well
as port 563 for encrypting the path to the server (so no third party
can eavesdrop - but this also prevents you from using Wireshark for
debugging a session). If you used port 119, your username and password
are sent in plaintext (which is what I'm doing right now).

http://www.stanford.edu/services/usenet/thunderbird_pc/index.html

Paul

I tried but unless there is something else that will not work. I can
check that box but it has still never asked me for the account name
which is the step missing. If I remember right this was why I could not
use T-Bird years ago when I tried. I now of course can't remember how I
stumbled onto it the couple times I got it to work. Even walking through
this working account I can not find that step, yet it had to be there
somewhere in the set up.

 

[Alex Clayton]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
problems I couldn't solve.

Well at least it's not just me then.
I am about to just give it up. I am starting to think maybe they
changed something. I can find a couple sites that show step by step
instructions but they are not the same as I am seeing on the version I
loaded today.Guess I will see if I can find the old version of live mail
for now.

 

[Big Steel]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
problems I couldn't solve.

I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.

 

[Alex Clayton]

It is still working on my desktop also. It was working on the laptop I just
formatted today. All these are w-7. The problem has nothing to do with not
telling it to remember, it is not allowing one step. It for some reason is
not allowing me to enter the name the ISP uses for my account. It is letting
me enter the info for the news feed, and my password, but there is no place
I can find to enter the one part it needs. So of course when I tell it to
start loading groups it is denied access to the server. I will keep playing
with it. Hopefully I will stumble onto how I did it a while back. Should
have made a note of it. for the people who are going to get all bent out of
shape about me posting this on WLM I am sitting here with the new laptop and
am too lazy to walk back to the desktop.



"Big Steel" wrote in message


I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.

 

[Alex]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
problems I couldn't solve.

I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.

Persistence paid off finally!! I think I figured it out,I will have to
make some notes so the next time I have to do this it will not be such a
PITA. Between trying to get a new wireless router then this I deserved
this new laptop I bought myself.

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get
it. I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am
missing something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get
groups it denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end
which I thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately
they only have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM.
The new laptop had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried
it and it of course works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I
click on account actions. Add other account. check newsgroup
account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server.
Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups
with my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to
find is where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is
where the catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up
nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I got it to work on this
machine and my old laptop now.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big
bites. Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter
other problems I couldn't solve.

FWIW, I am running Thunderbird 2 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64. I am
successfully subscribed to four news servers, including one that
requires authentication.

 

[Alex Clayton]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get
it. I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am
missing something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get
groups it denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end
which I thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately
they only have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM.
The new laptop had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried
it and it of course works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I
click on account actions. Add other account. check newsgroup
account. I get the your name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server.
Then it asks me to name this account, I called it news just like
this one, and that's it. When I try to download the list of groups
with my password it of course fails. The one step I cant seem to
find is where I enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is
where the catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up
nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I got it to work on this
machine and my old laptop now.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big
bites. Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter
other problems I couldn't solve.

FWIW, I am running Thunderbird 2 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64. I am
successfully subscribed to four news servers, including one that
requires authentication.

Since I am way down the ladder of "know how" with this stuff it is
normally harder for me. Now that I figured out what I was doing wrong
though the instructions could have been done better. As so often happens
with stuff like this it seems the people who write them forget that not
everyone knows what they are doing. If I had not done the set up
multiple times with a windows based reader I would have never caught
what I was doing wrong. Then add to that, that I assume different ISPs
have different ways of doing this?

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to
get it. I tried making a news group account a couple times but
I am missing something. When I try to have it go to the feed
and get groups it denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong
on their end which I thought since it works on my desktop
here. Unfortunately they only have instructions for OE, which
works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already on
it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I
am missing a step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add
other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your name and
e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it.
When I try to download the list of groups with my password it
of course fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I
enter account name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the
catch is. I tired a search but it seems to show up nothing.
Damned if I can remember now how I got it to work on this
machine and my old laptop now.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big
bites. Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and
failed miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to
encounter other problems I couldn't solve.

FWIW, I am running Thunderbird 2 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64. I am
successfully subscribed to four news servers, including one that
requires authentication.

Since I am way down the ladder of "know how" with this stuff it is
normally harder for me. Now that I figured out what I was doing wrong
though the instructions could have been done better. As so often
happens with stuff like this it seems the people who write them
forget that not everyone knows what they are doing.

This is especially true with Open Sores programs. For help with
Thunderbird, I strongly recommend the Mozilla Thunderbird support group:

Server: news.mozilla.org
Group: mozilla.support.thunderbird

If I had not done the set up multiple times with a windows based
reader I would have never caught what I was doing wrong.

This is my first experience with Thunderbird. I always used OE and was
very disappointed when it was excluded from Windows 7. I took a look at
Windows Live Mail and promptly puked. T'Bird 2 was the closest
replacement for OE that I could find.

Then add to that, that I assume different ISPs have different ways
of doing this?

I don't think the client ISP has anything to do with it, unless they are
blocking ports. The configuration is up to the server.

 

[charlie]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
problems I couldn't solve.

I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.

Persistence paid off finally!! I think I figured it out,I will have to
make some notes so the next time I have to do this it will not be such a
PITA. Between trying to get a new wireless router then this I deserved
this new laptop I bought myself.

"I called it news just like this one, and that's it."

The same problem was my bane for several days. It turns out that "News"
doesn't get it. Evidently, the news server needs to be specifically
identified.
Eventually, I managed to stumble through setting up multiple new
servers in T Bird. "News" still appears as a dummy in the folders list,
and I did not figure out how to get rid of it.

It, so I'm told, is possible to get I.E. to work in win 7. The lack of
future support deterred me from going through the effort, since T Bird
and Outlook are on most of my systems.

 

[Alex Clayton]

Thip wrote:
I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get
it. I tried making a news group account a couple times but
I am missing something. When I try to have it go to the feed and
get groups it denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong
on their end which I thought since it works on my desktop
here. Unfortunately they only have instructions for OE, which
works the same as WLM. The new laptop had WLM 2011 already on
it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course works. I think I
am missing a step somewhere. I click on account actions. Add
other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your name and
e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account
name my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a
search but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember
now how I got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

-- "Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big
bites. Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter
other problems I couldn't solve.

FWIW, I am running Thunderbird 2 on Windows 7 Ultimate x64. I am
successfully subscribed to four news servers, including one that
requires authentication.

Since I am way down the ladder of "know how" with this stuff it is
normally harder for me. Now that I figured out what I was doing wrong
though the instructions could have been done better. As so often
happens with stuff like this it seems the people who write them forget
that not everyone knows what they are doing.

This is especially true with Open Sores programs. For help with
Thunderbird, I strongly recommend the Mozilla Thunderbird support group:

Server: news.mozilla.org
Group: mozilla.support.thunderbird

If I had not done the set up multiple times with a windows based
reader I would have never caught what I was doing wrong.

This is my first experience with Thunderbird. I always used OE and was
very disappointed when it was excluded from Windows 7. I took a look at
Windows Live Mail and promptly puked. T'Bird 2 was the closest
replacement for OE that I could find.

Then add to that, that I assume different ISPs have different ways of
doing this?

I don't think the client ISP has anything to do with it, unless they are
blocking ports. The configuration is up to the server.

I often do not word what I am trying to say well. The catch I had was my
ISP gave my account a name they had me come up with. To use them I have
to include that name, their server, and my password. The first time I
tried to set up T-Bird a box popped up for both the name the ISP gave
and the password, with a check box to remember. I mistakenly thought it
was the same request and entered the password twice. After that each
time I would delete the account and try again it would only offer the
box one time. I removed T-Bird, reinstalled it, then the next time I
tried I saw both boxes. This time I put the name in first, the next one
the password, and of course now it could connect to the server.

 

[Big Steel]

I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter other
problems I couldn't solve.

I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.

Persistence paid off finally!! I think I figured it out,I will have to
make some notes so the next time I have to do this it will not be such a
PITA. Between trying to get a new wireless router then this I deserved
this new laptop I bought myself.

I am telling you. I have never had the problems setting TB you have had.
There is no place to set up user-id and psw other than what I have
explained in my usages of TB. I don't know why problems you are having
in setting up the account. It is a piece of cake setting it up on all 3
machines and TB asked for the credentials once on connected to EL and
only asked for them onetime with a pop-up box for user-id and one for
psw each with a checkbox to indicated to save and remember the credentials.

Maybe, it was a malware TB you downloaded.

 

[whodiddat]

On 5/3/2011 7:42 PM, Big Steel wrote:
On 5/3/2011 8:01 PM, Thip wrote:
I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of
course
works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter
other
problems I couldn't solve.

I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.


Persistence paid off finally!! I think I figured it out,I will have to
make some notes so the next time I have to do this it will not be such a
PITA. Between trying to get a new wireless router then this I deserved
this new laptop I bought myself.

"I called it news just like this one, and that's it."

The same problem was my bane for several days. It turns out that "News"
doesn't get it. Evidently, the news server needs to be specifically
identified.
Eventually, I managed to stumble through setting up multiple new
servers in T Bird. "News" still appears as a dummy in the folders list,
and I did not figure out how to get rid of it.

It, so I'm told, is possible to get I.E. to work in win 7. The lack of
future support deterred me from going through the effort, since T Bird
and Outlook are on most of my systems.

I assume you mean OE, not IE.

Sheep f*cker

 

[Alex Clayton]

On 5/3/2011 8:01 PM, Thip wrote:
I am trying to use T-bird on my new machine and can't seem to get it.
I tried making a news group account a couple times but I am missing
something. When I try to have it go to the feed and get groups it
denies access. ISP tells me nothing is wrong on their end which I
thought since it works on my desktop here. Unfortunately they only
have instructions for OE, which works the same as WLM. The new laptop
had WLM 2011 already on it from Toshiba so I tried it and it of course
works. I think I am missing a step somewhere. I click on account
actions. Add other account. check newsgroup account. I get the your
name and e-mail. Enter newsgroup server. Then it asks me to name this
account, I called it news just like this one, and that's it. When I
try to download the list of groups with my password it of course
fails. The one step I cant seem to find is where I enter account name
my ISP gave me. I'm sure this is where the catch is. I tired a search
but it seems to show up nothing. Damned if I can remember now how I
got it to work on this machine and my old laptop now.

--
"Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites.
Moderation is for monks."

[Lazarus Long]

FWIW, I just tried really really hard to switch to TBird and failed
miserably. I finally got the newsgroups to work, only to encounter
other
problems I couldn't solve.

I don't understand this. TB has always worked for the NNTP servers east
and west coast servers at Earthlink. I use TB with Windows mail on my
laptop running Vista, on my Windows 7 desktop and on my XP machine at
work. I just tell TB on the NNTP account setup what the NNTP address is
for the NNTP server.

After I do that, then when I do my first scribe to to get the list of
NG(s) from the server, TB asked for the User-ID and psw to a access the
NG server. I give the credentials onetime and tell TB to remember the
credentials.

I have had no problems with TB. There is nowhere that I have seen where
you can give a user-id and psw for TB at account setup for NNTP, POP3
and SMTP services. It always ask for the user-id and psw credentials at
initial contact with the provider's servers or you did not tell TB to
remember the credentials once they are given.

Persistence paid off finally!! I think I figured it out,I will have to
make some notes so the next time I have to do this it will not be such a
PITA. Between trying to get a new wireless router then this I deserved
this new laptop I bought myself.

I am telling you. I have never had the problems setting TB you have had.
There is no place to set up user-id and psw other than what I have
explained in my usages of TB. I don't know why problems you are having
in setting up the account. It is a piece of cake setting it up on all 3
machines and TB asked for the credentials once on connected to EL and
only asked for them onetime with a pop-up box for user-id and one for
psw each with a checkbox to indicated to save and remember the credentials.

Maybe, it was a malware TB you downloaded.

Thanks but it was not Malware, it was just me. The problem was as much
me as it was the only examples I could find on the net were for a
slightly older version I guess. The screen shots were not the same. It
looks like the real trouble was my first try. There is a pop up box for
the user name (one ISP gave me not the one I use for a respond to me)
and the next box was for the password. because of the way it was labeled
I thought it was asking for the password, so I entered it and checked
the remember box. Then the same box popped up again, so I mistakenly
thought it wanted me to re-enter the password. When it of course would
not work I would delete the account and try again, but now T-Bird would
only offer the box one time. After removing it from the machine, then
reloading it, it offered the box twice again. This time the light
clicked on and I went back and entered the user name first, clicked
save, then entered the password and clicked save. Then when I told it to
load groups it of course now worked. Now I am sure all this is strange
to many who know their way around this better, but I never claim to be
the sharpest knife in the drawer at anything. When it comes to anything
PC I am always far down the learning curve. Hell I was pretty impressed
with myself that I was able to re-install Vista, then up-grade to
Windows 7 on my old laptop so I could give it away. When I started I was
half expecting to end up having to take the machine and the recovery
media to a shop and ask them to fix it. Now to many here this sounds
strange, since they could do this in their sleep, but to me it was quite
and accomplishment.
Now the new wireless router, that was another story. Once again I have
no doubt many here could hook one up without even looking at the
directions, not me. The problem there was this one (Linksys) did not
even have any. It just had a CD. I followed the damn directions twice
and it would not work. It said call customer service. They were in some
other country and could speak a half way close version of English. The
one after :20 was getting no where, but something she did at the very
start clicked. I hung up, ran one more cable, and wammo. It now said use
the CD and it was a snap. That was a case where the damn instructions
were just wrong. Router does work great, but I almost just sent it back.

 

[Big Steel]

On 5/4/2011 8:14 PM, Alex Clayton wrote:

<snipped>

It's funny we are talking about TB, because I was having trouble with
POP3 user-id and psw on TB. TB couldn't logon to get emails. The
password was bad.

So I found this link. It's just a little different then what the version
I am using. The version of TB I am using has the Security Tab and the
Password selection. Then you can use the Show Password button where I
was able to delete the psw for the POP3 account. Of course, the pop-up
box for psw popped-up when I told TB to get emails. It knew about the
user-id for POP3.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5821511_reset-password-thunderbird.html