Reinstallition of win 7 on new SSD HDD

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P.N.

I brougth a Toshiba laptop with win 7 preinstalled, I have tried to insert a
faster SSD harddrive and here comes my problem the preinstalled win7 cannot
format the harddrive and reinstall WIN7, I need the cd, so what do i do?.
 
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Jan Alter

P.N. said:
I brougth a Toshiba laptop with win 7 preinstalled, I have tried to insert
a faster SSD harddrive and here comes my problem the preinstalled win7
cannot format the harddrive and reinstall WIN7, I need the cd, so what do i
do?.
I believe Toshiba has utility to make a recovery DVD to restore the OS
should there be a need to reinstall. If you're unaware then you could go to
Toshiba support to look into that possibility. Actually it may be a legal
requirement to supply such an option.
The other thought is that most hdd companies supply utilities to move an
OS from one hard drive to another. I would imagine that the SSD manufacturer
may have a utility that works the same way. The third option is from my own
experience using Acronis True Image. One can make an image of the computer's
OS with all its programs and setting and back it up to an external hard
drive. Then with Acronis's back up restore CD transfer the image to the new
hard drive.
 
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Ed Cryer

I believe Toshiba has utility to make a recovery DVD to restore the OS
should there be a need to reinstall. If you're unaware then you could go to
Toshiba support to look into that possibility. Actually it may be a legal
requirement to supply such an option.
The other thought is that most hdd companies supply utilities to move an
OS from one hard drive to another. I would imagine that the SSD manufacturer
may have a utility that works the same way. The third option is from my own
experience using Acronis True Image. One can make an image of the computer's
OS with all its programs and setting and back it up to an external hard
drive. Then with Acronis's back up restore CD transfer the image to the new
hard drive.

Win7 has its own program for writing a system image; and one that can be
restored with a System Recovery Disk. I've migrated to this instead of a
third party Backup & Restore program I was using, since I used it very
successfully several times recently. Just make sure the images are held
on an external hard drive.

The OP's problem seems to be that he doesn't know the migration
procedure, so here it is;
1. Boot from original hard drive.
2. Save a system image on an external hard drive.
3. Put new hd in box.
4. Boot from a System Recovery Disk, choose Repair Windows and restore
from the image.

Ed
 
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dweebken

I brougth a Toshiba laptop with win 7 preinstalled, I have tried to insert a
faster SSD harddrive and here comes my problem the preinstalled win7 cannot
format the harddrive and reinstall WIN7, I need the cd, so what do i do?.
I did the same on a Toshiba Portege R830, but with success. I put the
SSD in an external USB3 caddy and started windows in Safe mode. Then I
went to Computer Management console (right click on Computer, click on
Manage, then select Disk Management under the Storage option). Windows
then prompted me to add the new unformatted/unpartitioned SSD, and I was
able to partition and format it there. Rebooted as normal and the SSD
now shows under a drive letter. Then I used Acronis Clone Disk feature
to clone the C: drive to the SSD. It had to reboot to complete the
cloning process of course. After the cloning completed, I installed the
SSD in the Toshiba's drive bay and it fired up the system just fine.
First tie it started though the OS detected the SSD as a new drive and
it loaded the drivers for that. One more reboot and now my machine is
just about flying!
HTH
 
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dweebken

I should add: the Acronis True Image Home clone tool allowed me to clone
the original HDD to a smaller SSD. The original HDD was 500 GB, the SSD
is 256 GB. So the size difference, in this case, didn't matter. As a
byproduct, I ended up with a fully bootable backup disk (the original
HDD of course).
 
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Paul

Ed said:
Win7 has its own program for writing a system image; and one that can be
restored with a System Recovery Disk. I've migrated to this instead of a
third party Backup & Restore program I was using, since I used it very
successfully several times recently. Just make sure the images are held
on an external hard drive.

The OP's problem seems to be that he doesn't know the migration
procedure, so here it is;
1. Boot from original hard drive.
2. Save a system image on an external hard drive.
3. Put new hd in box.
4. Boot from a System Recovery Disk, choose Repair Windows and restore
from the image.

Ed
Or stated in yet another way, it would be handy to have a means to have
two hard drives connected to the system at the same time. Something like
a USB enclosure or USB to IDE/SATA adapter kit, may be used for a temporary
setup, to achieve the desired ends.

An SSD with SATA interface, could be inserted into a USB SATA enclosure.
Or connected to a USB to SATA dongle style adapter.

Even a dock could be used, and the SSD stuffed into the dock while
cloning or "restoring a backup". This dock has an adapter plate, that
makes up for the difference in size between 2.5" and 3.5" devices.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817707171

Maybe there is some way to "serve" the backup directory, from another
Windows PC, which could be another way of approaching the problem.
Then the question is, whether the recovery CD can handle a share or
not. Personally, I'd much rather have a USB to SATA device in my
hardware collection, when emergency situations arise - at least,
if all I had was a laptop or netbook with one hard drive bay.

*******

A person could download a copy of the Win7 installer, from a link here,
but the thing is, it's unlikely you'd get a version which exactly
matches the Home Premium x64 OEM used on the original device (or
whatever). I didn't see an exact match for my OEM setup, so the images
here probably won't work right to do an install using the key on the
OEM COA sticker. In theory, these installers probably contain all the
files needed for any version - it's just a matter of how to coerce
the installation to accept the key and enable the appropriate features.
I don't know anything about how that works for Win 7, and perhaps
someone else here knows the rules.

http://techpp.com/2009/11/11/download-windows-7-iso-official-direct-download-links/

The only advantage of installing from the DVD, would be to get an "SSD
alignment" for the partitions, and you can probably do part of that
by hand. On older OSes, the CHS geometry of 63 sectors per track, causes
things to be "aligned to multiples of 63" or the like. With the SSD,
power_of_two alignments are the thing to do, as 63 isn't a good choice
there. Microsoft chose a large enough offset, to accommodate the expected
flash page sizes. But there are probably tools around, which could transfer
over the current hard drive image, and give it a desirable alignment and
size.

I don't have any SSDs here, so haven't tried to do any of this.

*******

http://forum.acronis.com/forum/16454

"I used a LINUX partitioning tool and guide to move my OS partition
over a few megs, then move it back. This fixed the alignment issue on
the SSD. It was relatively painless and took only a few minutes after
I got the tool and burnt it to a bootable CD."

So there may be ways of doing this, without reinstalling the OS.

Using a Linux LiveCD, means Windows isn't running at the time, which
is why the partitions can be moved around or copied, without issues.

There are forums that deal with SSD issues, and they're the place
to start searching. The OCZtechnology forum would be one place to look,
in their "sticky collection" of tools/recipes.

Suffice it to say, a few people have already done this (move to SSD),
so the early adopters have solved all these problems... It's just a matter
of looking it up.

Paul
 
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Paul

dweebken said:
I should add: the Acronis True Image Home clone tool allowed me to clone
the original HDD to a smaller SSD. The original HDD was 500 GB, the SSD
is 256 GB. So the size difference, in this case, didn't matter. As a
byproduct, I ended up with a fully bootable backup disk (the original
HDD of course).
You could also shrink the C: partition down, before making a copy of
the partition. The built-in "shrink" in Disk Management, has some
limitations, and that's where some third-party tool will pay off.

Paul
 
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P.N.

Ed Cryer said:
Win7 has its own program for writing a system image; and one that can be
restored with a System Recovery Disk. I've migrated to this instead of a
third party Backup & Restore program I was using, since I used it very
successfully several times recently. Just make sure the images are held on
an external hard drive.

The OP's problem seems to be that he doesn't know the migration procedure,
so here it is;
1. Boot from original hard drive.
2. Save a system image on an external hard drive.
3. Put new hd in box.
4. Boot from a System Recovery Disk, choose Repair Windows and restore
from the image.

Ed
But that is the problem here, there is a system recovery disk and it cannot
repair the new SSD, I believe read somewhere on the microsoft website that I
need a CD or a download or a non MS program to copy the original harddrive,
I ve tried to copy the harddrive to another PC but it is not possible due to
do obstacles from MS.
 
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Paul

P.N. said:
But that is the problem here, there is a system recovery disk and it cannot
repair the new SSD, I believe read somewhere on the microsoft website that I
need a CD or a download or a non MS program to copy the original harddrive,
I ve tried to copy the harddrive to another PC but it is not possible due to
do obstacles from MS.
Say you boot from your C: and are running from that C:, then
want to copy the C:. Some of the files are "busy" and cannot be
copied in the normal way.

Microsoft gets around this by doing a Shadow Copy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_Copy

When Ed refers to making a System Image, that is a backup operation, which
creates a couple VHD files. The VHD files are an accurate "snapshot" of the
SYSTEM RESERVED and main C: partition on the laptop. (The recovery partition,
which is generally hidden, doesn't get backed up.)

The "Create A System Image" on the left of this panel, does the job.

http://www.7tutorials.com/files/img/backup/backup4.jpg

When you do that, it will ask for some other hard drive to store the files.
I did one of those recently for Windows 7, and the results looked like this.

Backup 2011-10-17 011010

10/16/2011 10:13 PM 41,956,352 203917be-715a-11df-93fa-806e6f6e6963.vhd
10/16/2011 10:55 PM 26,680,273,408 203917bf-715a-11df-93fa-806e6f6e6963.vhd
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 1,078 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_AdditionalFilesc3b9f3c7-5e52-4d5e-8b20-19adc95a34c7.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 11,554 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_Components.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 6,348 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_RegistryExcludes.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 3,616 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_Writer4dc3bdd4-ab48-4d07-adb0-3bee2926fd7f.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 1,488 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_Writer542da469-d3e1-473c-9f4f-7847f01fc64f.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 1,484 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_Writera6ad56c2-b509-4e6c-bb19-49d8f43532f0.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 2,584 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_Writerafbab4a2-367d-4d15-a586-71dbb18f8485.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 5,376 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_Writerbe000cbe-11fe-4426-9c58-531aa6355fc4.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 7,110 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_Writercd3f2362-8bef-46c7-9181-d62844cdc0b2.xml
10/16/2011 10:20 PM 3,547,712 2b6c1cc3-4705-499d-a377-506fa3b9c42b_Writere8132975-6f93-4464-a53e-1050253ae220.xml
10/16/2011 10:21 PM 1,186 BackupSpecs.xml

Now, if you boot the recovery CD you make when you get the laptop, and
boot that CD (it's a couple hundred megabytes in size, not a full install
DVD), it offers options like this.

http://res1.windows.microsoft.com/r...n/66b9e3c2-bb67-47bf-802c-b753b54bcc19_48.jpg

The "System Image Recovery" option, is supposed to use a folder like
that, to do a restoration.

In the above folder, the first VHD file is the SYSTEM RESERVED, while the
second VHD is C:. The rest of the files, I'm not sure of their exact functions.
They're XML type, and contain some info on what was copied.

Now, when I tried to "move" a Windows 8 system, using files like that, and
the Windows 8 recovery CD, it didn't work. So I don't know what checks are in place,
to prevent a recovery from working. I haven't tested whether the Windows 7
one works - the VHD files themselves are fine, because I've tested those
in VirtualPC 2007 and they contain the file system of my laptop. You would
think the restoration process would be purely mechanical, and the stuff should
restore to any storage device on any hardware. Activation, or booting from the
resulting restoration, should be where any checks on hardware are performed, not
during the restoration itself.

Paul
 
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Paul

P.N. said:
But that is the problem here, there is a system recovery disk and it cannot
repair the new SSD, I believe read somewhere on the microsoft website that I
need a CD or a download or a non MS program to copy the original harddrive,
I ve tried to copy the harddrive to another PC but it is not possible due to
do obstacles from MS.
It seems not everyone has the same experience with moving the
installation to the SSD. Some examples are here.

http://sonic-media.dk/?p=103

I think when I was testing the ability to move Windows 8, I got the
same experience one of the posters near the top of that thread experienced.
Namely, that the restore process "couldn't see any disk to restore to".
I didn't think it was a driver issue, but maybe that was the cause.
No driver, or a need to change disk operating modes.

Paul
 
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P.N.

dweebken said:
I should add: the Acronis True Image Home clone tool allowed me to clone
the original HDD to a smaller SSD. The original HDD was 500 GB, the SSD is
256 GB. So the size difference, in this case, didn't matter. As a
byproduct, I ended up with a fully bootable backup disk (the original HDD
of course).
I tried the Acronis True Image Home clone tool and it worked!
 
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blank

My XP Toshiba A100 has a 'Recovery disc' CD with the whole OS on it. Came
with the computer. I would not buy a computer without one (eg Dell) let
alone one that appeared to deliberately diverge froim standards (eg Dell --
see Mueller)
 
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Char Jackson

My XP Toshiba A100 has a 'Recovery disc' CD with the whole OS on it. Came
with the computer. I would not buy a computer without one (eg Dell) let
alone one that appeared to deliberately diverge froim standards (eg Dell --
see Mueller)
Is it a big deal? It's easy to burn your own copy.
 

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