OT Question for Ken Blake

[Chet]

Hi Ken,

A few weeks ago I replied to a post and mentioned I used the MS
Community Bridges for the MS Answers and Forums. You replied that you
used and liked Codeplex's Community Forums NNTP bridge better. At that
time I was using (trying) the new version of Windows Live Mail. I was
wanting to use the same client for both e-mail and news, mainly for
personal convenience. Prior to that I used the old version of Windows
Live Mail (v14 - never should have updated!) for e-mail and Slypheed for
news.

Anyway, I switched to Thunderbird for my newsgroups using Codeplex's
bridge (I uninstalled the MS bridges and rebooted prior to installing
the Codeplex bridge).

Since switching newsreader and bridge, I've occasionally started getting
error msgs (in the msg window instead of the actual msg) after viewing
the msg that the article number has expired and no longer exists on the
server (sorry, I don't have the exact wording). The error msg can appear
anywhere from immediately to more than a minute. It's somewhat
frustrating to have it appear before I'm finished reading the post.

Also, when reviewing msgs in a thread, occasionally the wrong msg
appears. As an example, I replied to someone recently and then viewed my
reply. Later, I reviewed the msgs in the thread to see if the OP had
responded, my reply was not mine but from a completely different thread!

I'm just wondering if you have experienced either of the symptoms above
since you use the Codeplex bridge?

I've reviewed all my settings in Thunderbird and the bridge and can't
seem to find anything that corrects the situation.

I have found that if I use Thunderbird's Repair Folder option, it
sometimes corrects the wrong msg problem. If not, I must unsubscribe
from that specific group, then go into my profile at:
AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles...
and delete that groups .dat and .msf files, then again subscribe to the
group and re-download x number of headers. This works for awhile, until
it starts again (if I don't delete the .dat and .msf files this doesn't
work).

Additionally, this happens on both my Dell Inspirion 1764 laptop with
Win7 Home Premium and my home built i7 desktop with Win7 Profession
(both 64-bit). Both are fully updated with temp Internet files, etc.,
thoroughly cleaned daily with CCleaner. The desktop is on 24/7 but the
laptop is shutdown at night and rebooted in the am.

What gripes me is that this is the first problem I haven't been able to
correct since I started viewing (lurking) in newsgroups right after
Win95 came out and I got my first computer with a hard disk drive and a
super fast 28.8 modem!

Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to provide.

 

[Ken Blake]

Hi Ken,

A few weeks ago I replied to a post and mentioned I used the MS
Community Bridges for the MS Answers and Forums. You replied that you
used and liked Codeplex's Community Forums NNTP bridge better. At that
time I was using (trying) the new version of Windows Live Mail. I was
wanting to use the same client for both e-mail and news, mainly for
personal convenience. Prior to that I used the old version of Windows
Live Mail (v14 - never should have updated!) for e-mail and Slypheed for
news.

Anyway, I switched to Thunderbird for my newsgroups using Codeplex's
bridge (I uninstalled the MS bridges and rebooted prior to installing
the Codeplex bridge).

Since switching newsreader and bridge, I've occasionally started getting
error msgs (in the msg window instead of the actual msg) after viewing
the msg that the article number has expired and no longer exists on the
server (sorry, I don't have the exact wording). The error msg can appear
anywhere from immediately to more than a minute. It's somewhat
frustrating to have it appear before I'm finished reading the post.

Never seen that.

Also, when reviewing msgs in a thread, occasionally the wrong msg
appears. As an example, I replied to someone recently and then viewed my
reply. Later, I reviewed the msgs in the thread to see if the OP had
responded, my reply was not mine but from a completely different thread!

I'm just wondering if you have experienced either of the symptoms above
since you use the Codeplex bridge?

Yes, I've seen the second problem occasionally, but it's been a while
since I've seen it. And I use the bridge with Forté Agent 6.0.

 

[Roy Smith]

Hi Ken,

A few weeks ago I replied to a post and mentioned I used the MS
Community Bridges for the MS Answers and Forums. You replied that you
used and liked Codeplex's Community Forums NNTP bridge better. At that
time I was using (trying) the new version of Windows Live Mail. I was
wanting to use the same client for both e-mail and news, mainly for
personal convenience. Prior to that I used the old version of Windows
Live Mail (v14 - never should have updated!) for e-mail and Slypheed for
news.

Anyway, I switched to Thunderbird for my newsgroups using Codeplex's
bridge (I uninstalled the MS bridges and rebooted prior to installing
the Codeplex bridge).

Since switching newsreader and bridge, I've occasionally started getting
error msgs (in the msg window instead of the actual msg) after viewing
the msg that the article number has expired and no longer exists on the
server (sorry, I don't have the exact wording). The error msg can appear
anywhere from immediately to more than a minute. It's somewhat
frustrating to have it appear before I'm finished reading the post.

Also, when reviewing msgs in a thread, occasionally the wrong msg
appears. As an example, I replied to someone recently and then viewed my
reply. Later, I reviewed the msgs in the thread to see if the OP had
responded, my reply was not mine but from a completely different thread!

I'm just wondering if you have experienced either of the symptoms above
since you use the Codeplex bridge?

I've reviewed all my settings in Thunderbird and the bridge and can't
seem to find anything that corrects the situation.

I have found that if I use Thunderbird's Repair Folder option, it
sometimes corrects the wrong msg problem. If not, I must unsubscribe
from that specific group, then go into my profile at:
AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles...
and delete that groups .dat and .msf files, then again subscribe to the
group and re-download x number of headers. This works for awhile, until
it starts again (if I don't delete the .dat and .msf files this doesn't
work).

Additionally, this happens on both my Dell Inspirion 1764 laptop with
Win7 Home Premium and my home built i7 desktop with Win7 Profession
(both 64-bit). Both are fully updated with temp Internet files, etc.,
thoroughly cleaned daily with CCleaner. The desktop is on 24/7 but the
laptop is shutdown at night and rebooted in the am.

What gripes me is that this is the first problem I haven't been able to
correct since I started viewing (lurking) in newsgroups right after
Win95 came out and I got my first computer with a hard disk drive and a
super fast 28.8 modem!

Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to provide.

If you have the Global Indexing turned on, you might want to turn that
off. Just go to Tools - Options - Advanced and click on the General tab.


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Friday, January 28, 2011 9:39:42 PM

 

[Chet]

Never seen that.




Yes, I've seen the second problem occasionally, but it's been a while
since I've seen it. And I use the bridge with Forté Agent 6.0.

Since you haven't seen the first problem being you use a different
e-mail client, it points me to Thunderbird. I'm trying Roy's suggestion
of disabling global indexing in Thunderbird. It it continues I'll
investigate the Mozilla forums.

The second problem of the displaying the wrong msg hasn't appeared since
my OP - would ya know it!

Thanks for the info,

 

[Chet]

If you have the Global Indexing turned on, you might want to turn that
off. Just go to Tools - Options - Advanced and click on the General tab.

Roy,

I changed the global indexing setting as you suggested, will have to see
if it eliminates the problem.

Thanks,

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

Hi Ken,

A few weeks ago I replied to a post and mentioned I used the MS
Community Bridges for the MS Answers and Forums. You replied that you
used and liked Codeplex's Community Forums NNTP bridge better. At
that time I was using (trying) the new version of Windows Live Mail.
I was wanting to use the same client for both e-mail and news, mainly
for personal convenience. Prior to that I used the old version of
Windows Live Mail (v14 - never should have updated!) for e-mail and
Slypheed for news.

Anyway, I switched to Thunderbird for my newsgroups using Codeplex's
bridge (I uninstalled the MS bridges and rebooted prior to
installing the Codeplex bridge).

Since switching newsreader and bridge, I've occasionally started
getting error msgs (in the msg window instead of the actual msg)
after viewing the msg that the article number has expired and no
longer exists on the server (sorry, I don't have the exact wording).
The error msg can appear anywhere from immediately to more than a
minute. It's somewhat frustrating to have it appear before I'm
finished reading the post.

Also, when reviewing msgs in a thread, occasionally the wrong msg
appears. As an example, I replied to someone recently and then viewed
my reply. Later, I reviewed the msgs in the thread to see if the OP
had responded, my reply was not mine but from a completely different
thread!

I'm just wondering if you have experienced either of the symptoms
above since you use the Codeplex bridge?

I've reviewed all my settings in Thunderbird and the bridge and can't
seem to find anything that corrects the situation.

I have found that if I use Thunderbird's Repair Folder option, it
sometimes corrects the wrong msg problem. If not, I must unsubscribe
from that specific group, then go into my profile at:
AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles... and delete that groups .dat
and .msf files, then again subscribe to the group and re-download x
number of headers. This works for awhile, until it starts again (if I
don't delete the .dat and .msf files this doesn't work).

Additionally, this happens on both my Dell Inspirion 1764 laptop with
Win7 Home Premium and my home built i7 desktop with Win7 Profession
(both 64-bit). Both are fully updated with temp Internet files,
etc., thoroughly cleaned daily with CCleaner. The desktop is on 24/7
but the laptop is shutdown at night and rebooted in the am.

What gripes me is that this is the first problem I haven't been able
to correct since I started viewing (lurking) in newsgroups right
after Win95 came out and I got my first computer with a hard disk
drive and a super fast 28.8 modem!

Thanks in advance for any insight you might be able to provide.

I use Thunderbird 2 with the Community Forums bridge and have never
encountered the problem you are experiencing. I never tried the MS
bridge or any other newsreader with the bridge.

 

[Ken Blake]

Since you haven't seen the first problem being you use a different
e-mail client, it points me to Thunderbird. I'm trying Roy's suggestion
of disabling global indexing in Thunderbird. It it continues I'll
investigate the Mozilla forums.

The second problem of the displaying the wrong msg hasn't appeared since
my OP - would ya know it!

Thanks for the info,

You're welcome. Glad to help.

 

[Chet]

I use Thunderbird 2 with the Community Forums bridge and have never
encountered the problem you are experiencing. I never tried the MS
bridge or any other newsreader with the bridge.

Dave,

Thanks for the input. I'm using Thunderbird v3.1.7; since I disabled the
global indexing per Roy's post, I haven't experienced any problems.

Regards,

 

[Roy Smith]

Roy,

I changed the global indexing setting as you suggested, will have to see
if it eliminates the problem.

If I remember correctly that problem occurs when global indexing tries
to scan the body of a newsgroup posting that hasn't been downloaded yet.
When it does that it throws up that error message regardless of what
you're doing. Now in PostBox you can choose to have Global Indexing to
index the body of newsgroup post or not, and since it's based on
Thunderbird that leads me to believe that there is an option in
about:config that you can toggle to alter that behavior. If there is, I
haven't found it yet.

I really like PostBox but one thing that keeps me from using it all the
time is that I can't use my favorite add-on CollapseQuotes as it isn't
compatible with PostBox. That and it also lacks Thunderbird's wide
view, but other than that it's a great program.

Thanks,

You're welcome!


--

Roy Smith
Windows 7 Professional
Thunderbird 3.1.7
Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:13:08 PM

 

[Lee Antony]

Dave,

Thanks for the input. I'm using Thunderbird v3.1.7; since I disabled the
global indexing per Roy's post, I haven't experienced any problems.

Regards,

I get these errors every 3-4 days with Win7, the Codeplex Community
Bridge and Thunderbird. It seems to start when I hit this error message:

Error!
Newsgroup server responded: no such article number in this group.
Perhaps the article has expired.

After this the links between the subject pane and the message body are
broken for about 50% of messages. Re-downloading forum headers fixes
the problem for a few days.

I've never seen this on Thunderbird with regular newsgroups. Turning
off global indexing has made no difference. I'm going to try the MS
bridges as a test.

This topic has appeared only once in the Codeplex forum and that was
with Outlook Express. The issue was not resolved. Jochen Kalmbach's
last reply was:

The bridge is not able to address this issue, because it is simply
forwarding the messageId from the web-service to the news-client.

Also be aware, that for example Thunderbird 2.* mixes threads if the
subject is the same...

 

[Chet]

I get these errors every 3-4 days with Win7, the Codeplex Community
Bridge and Thunderbird. It seems to start when I hit this error message:

Error!
Newsgroup server responded: no such article number in this group.
Perhaps the article has expired.

After this the links between the subject pane and the message body are
broken for about 50% of messages. Re-downloading forum headers fixes the
problem for a few days.

I've never seen this on Thunderbird with regular newsgroups. Turning off
global indexing has made no difference. I'm going to try the MS bridges
as a test.

This topic has appeared only once in the Codeplex forum and that was
with Outlook Express. The issue was not resolved. Jochen Kalmbach's last
reply was:

The bridge is not able to address this issue, because it is simply
forwarding the messageId from the web-service to the news-client.

Also be aware, that for example Thunderbird 2.* mixes threads if the
subject is the same...

Lee,

Thanks for the info; sounds like you're experiencing the same problem as
I have been.

Since I've disabled the global indexing I haven't received the error
message but I still occasionally have the wrong msg shown. As you
stated, re-downloading headers does fix it for a while, but it's
certainly not a solution!

I'm somewhat stubborn so I'll keep Thunderbird and the Codeplex bridge
for now; maybe I'll get lucky and stumble upon a cure (haha). Keep me
posted on switching to the MS bridges, thanks.

Regards,

 

[Lee Antony]

Lee,

Thanks for the info; sounds like you're experiencing the same problem as
I have been.

Since I've disabled the global indexing I haven't received the error
message but I still occasionally have the wrong msg shown. As you
stated, re-downloading headers does fix it for a while, but it's
certainly not a solution!

I'm somewhat stubborn so I'll keep Thunderbird and the Codeplex bridge
for now; maybe I'll get lucky and stumble upon a cure (haha). Keep me
posted on switching to the MS bridges, thanks.

Regards,

I will keep you informed. Have you tried posting in the Codeplex
Community Bridge discussion forum? I've just sent a message there but
have not checked for answers yet. The author of Community Bridge is
Jochem Kalmbach but he doesn't seem to be aware of any problems with his
baby.

 

[Chet]

I will keep you informed. Have you tried posting in the Codeplex
Community Bridge discussion forum? I've just sent a message there but
have not checked for answers yet. The author of Community Bridge is
Jochem Kalmbach but he doesn't seem to be aware of any problems with his
baby.

Hi Lee,

No, I haven't posted to the Codeplex forum; mainly as I was hoping to
discover a solution on my own (thinking it's a setting/conflict between
the bridge and Thunderbird). I'll keep tinkering for a bit!

I would appreciate you keeping me informed of any progress you make,
especially if you do post to Codeplex.

Thanks,

 

[Lee Antony]

Hi Lee,

No, I haven't posted to the Codeplex forum; mainly as I was hoping to
discover a solution on my own (thinking it's a setting/conflict between
the bridge and Thunderbird). I'll keep tinkering for a bit!

I would appreciate you keeping me informed of any progress you make,
especially if you do post to Codeplex.

Thanks,

Well, I'm waiting to hear from Jochen about the debug report I posted
there a little while ago. Sorry but I have not yet had time to install
the MS bridges. Will do tomorrow without fail.