OT But computer related

[rfdjr1]

I posted this on what's apparently a dead group the other day. No replies and no
activity at all, so I'll try here. I'm using Windows 7 Professional 64bit

A while ago I set up a GMail account for my wife. She occasionally forwards
something to me, usually those cutesy things with lots of pictures. But whenever
she sends one to me at my email account (not GMail) the pictures don't come
through. Then when we go to her account to show me the original, the pictures
are gone from the original email. I am not all that familiary with GMail. Any
ideas why this happens?I do see an option to "Show Original" but even when we
click on that, the pictures are gone. Thanks.

 

[Nil]

A while ago I set up a GMail account for my wife. She occasionally
forwards something to me, usually those cutesy things with lots of
pictures. But whenever she sends one to me at my email account
(not GMail) the pictures don't come through. Then when we go to
her account to show me the original, the pictures are gone from
the original email. I am not all that familiary with GMail. Any
ideas why this happens?I do see an option to "Show Original" but
even when we click on that, the pictures are gone. Thanks.

An email can either have the pictures embedded (a.k.a. "in-line") in
the message (that is, the binary image files are encoded and included
in the email) or the email can reference pictures that are actually
hosted elsewhere on the internet. You can tell which is method is used
by looking at the raw message data (in Gmail, this is done by clicking
the little drop-down arrow and choosing "Show Original.")

Gmail, and most local email programs can be set up by you to show
remote images by default or not. So, check the message's properties and
see if remote images are being blocked.

There's a good reason to block them - lots of spam and commercial
messages use images (some of them hidden) to detect whether you have
viewed their message. They even may be able to tell your IP address and
location.

 

[Mike Barnes]

An email can either have the pictures embedded (a.k.a. "in-line") in
the message (that is, the binary image files are encoded and included
in the email) or the email can reference pictures that are actually
hosted elsewhere on the internet. You can tell which is method is used
by looking at the raw message data (in Gmail, this is done by clicking
the little drop-down arrow and choosing "Show Original.")

Gmail, and most local email programs can be set up by you to show
remote images by default or not. So, check the message's properties and
see if remote images are being blocked.

There's a good reason to block them - lots of spam and commercial
messages use images (some of them hidden) to detect whether you have
viewed their message. They even may be able to tell your IP address and
location.

One way round this (though I don't know whether it's a possibility with
Gmail) is to send a plain text e-mail message rather than HTML, with the
images included inline or as attachments. The images will definitely be
included in the message, and they can't be used to check whether you've
viewed the message so there's no point in blocking them at the receiving
end.

 

[Nil]

One way round this (though I don't know whether it's a possibility
with Gmail) is to send a plain text e-mail message rather than
HTML, with the images included inline or as attachments. The
images will definitely be included in the message, and they can't
be used to check whether you've viewed the message so there's no
point in blocking them at the receiving end.

Oh yeah, I forgot that - a third way to integrate pictures and email.
They can be attached to the message rather than displayed in-line
(which can only be done in an html-formatted message.) Thanks for
reminding me.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Oh yeah, I forgot that - a third way to integrate pictures and email.
They can be attached to the message rather than displayed in-line
(which can only be done in an html-formatted message.) Thanks for
reminding me.

Very few email prog.s (none from Microsoft, as far as I know) can either
send, nor properly handle, truly inline images. Most of them shove all
the images to the end, and put links within the text ("cid:" or similar)
where they want the images to _appear_ to be.

Turnpike (which only works on 7-64 in a VM, though OK in 7-32) is one of
the few that can truly inline images, and handle emails and posts that
do.

 

[Nil]

Very few email prog.s (none from Microsoft, as far as I know) can
either send, nor properly handle, truly inline images. Most of
them shove all the images to the end, and put links within the
text ("cid:" or similar) where they want the images to _appear_ to
be.

Turnpike (which only works on 7-64 in a VM, though OK in 7-32) is
one of the few that can truly inline images, and handle emails and
posts that do.

Thunderbird seems to do a pretty good job of it.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

Thunderbird seems to do a pretty good job of it.

Are you using Thunderbird for email, and is your email correct without
the obvious? If so I'll send you a sample. (I can't tell from the post
as you've used Xnews for that.)

Most email clients _simulate_ an embedded email like this:

some text
a link to the picture
rest of text
picture (at end of email)

If I send a truly embedded picture, like this

some text
actual in-line picture
rest of text

, most email clients will see it (present it to the user) as an email
just containing the "some text", with the picture and the "rest of text"
as two attachments.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

TV and radio presenters are just like many people, except they tend to wear
make-up all the time. Especially the radio presenters. - Eddie Mair, in Radio
Times 25-31 August 2012

 

[Mike Barnes]

Oh yeah, I forgot that - a third way to integrate pictures and email.
They can be attached to the message rather than displayed in-line
(which can only be done in an html-formatted message.) Thanks for
reminding me.

Actually images *can* be displayed inline in a "plain text" message,
with good client software. That rules out anything produced by
Microsoft, of course.

 

[Wolf K]

On 11/11/2012 5:07 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[...]

If I send a truly embedded picture, like this

some text
actual in-line picture
rest of text

That's Thunderbird.

, most email clients will see it (present it to the user) as an email
just containing the "some text", with the picture and the "rest of text"
as two attachments.

Tbird will display inline if set to do so. It will also show the
displayed image as an attachment.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On 11/11/2012 5:07 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[...]

If I send a truly embedded picture, like this

some text
actual in-line picture
rest of text

That's Thunderbird.

, most email clients will see it (present it to the user) as an email
just containing the "some text", with the picture and the "rest of text"
as two attachments.

Tbird will display inline if set to do so. It will also show the
displayed image as an attachment.

Will it also _send_ truly inline images, especially in a plain-text (not
HTML or rich text) email/post?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Jurassic-period viewers like me for whom /The Flintstones/ was actually a
fly-on-the-wall documentary series. - Alison Graham in Radio Times 3-9 March
2012

 

[Mike Barnes]

On 11/11/2012 5:07 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[...]

If I send a truly embedded picture, like this

some text
actual in-line picture
rest of text

That's Thunderbird.

, most email clients will see it (present it to the user) as an email
just containing the "some text", with the picture and the "rest of text"
as two attachments.

Tbird will display inline if set to do so. It will also show the
displayed image as an attachment.

Will it also _send_ truly inline images, especially in a plain-text
(not HTML or rich text) email/post?

Even if it will, the chances of the receiving mail client properly
understanding it are quite small.