New SATA drive appears in Device Mana, not in WE

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Dan

nor does it show under "Computer Management/Storage/Disk Management".

PC has 7 hdd's only 6 show. Any idea what's up with this?

Win7 Home.

TIA

Dan
 
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Dan

nor does it show under "Computer Management/Storage/Disk Management".

PC has 7 hdd's only 6 show. Any idea what's up with this?

Win7 Home.

TIA

Dan
Never mind, it was in "Computer Management/Storage/Disk Management", but
not at the top list. It was offline because of a "Signature collision"
with another drive. These 2 were in a RAID 1 array on my old pc.

Now all I have to do is fugure out how to RAID them on this machine.
Using this MOBO:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423. Any
suggestions?

Dan
 
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KCB

Dan said:
Never mind, it was in "Computer Management/Storage/Disk Management", but
not at the top list. It was offline because of a "Signature collision"
with another drive. These 2 were in a RAID 1 array on my old pc.

Now all I have to do is fugure out how to RAID them on this machine. Using
this MOBO:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423. Any
suggestions?

Dan
http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/Manual/mb_manual_ga-x58a-ud3r_v2.0_e.pdf

Chapter 5
 
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Paul

Dan said:
Thanks. I have the manual & have read that portion, I thought maybe
someone here might have actually done it & might have some tips.
I think the problem with your question is, we don't know
much about the configuration.

1) Is the RAID 1 for a boot partition, or is it data only ?

2) Was Windows 7 installed on this motherboard from scratch already, or
are you moving a Windows 7 install from another computer and expecting
it to "pick up and run" on the new motherboard ? If Windows 7 was installed
on this motherboard, did you set the Intel to AHCI or RAID, and did you
use the Intel Southbridge ports for the drive with the boot partition ?

3) Do you expect to "transport" the RAID 1 from the old system and have it
work and preserve all files on the new machine ? Do you have a backup
image of the data that was stored on the RAID 1 ? You may need to do a
backup and restore type operation to smoothly move the data (this is a
"safety first" approach to data management). *Never* just try to grab disks
and move them from machine to machine, without a disaster plan. For example,
due to a hardware defect, both RAID 1 drives could be ruined while you're
working on them. A backup is very important.

To move a RAID array from one computer to another, bare minimum, the controller
should be the same brand (this improves the odds that the metadata format is
the same - the "reserved sector" holds details about the array format).
For example, you may move a RAID 1 from an older Intel chipset to
a newer Intel chipset. There can still be issues. You would not expect a
RAID 1 connected to a Promise controller on the old motherboard, to just
start running (properly) in RAID 1 when plugged to an Intel controller.

You also have several storage controllers on that motherboard. In fact,
all three controller chips support some form of RAID. (Intel, Marvell, Jmicron/GSATA)

There are a metric boatload of permutations and combinations here. Even if
you started giving details, there's no guarantee we'll cover all the bases.

Intel supports "migration". With Intel, you can start with a single drive,
add an empty drive, and tell the RAID management software to migrate to RAID 1.
During the array build, the single drive will be copied to the empty disk,
giving RAID 1. So that is an option.

Personally, I would use a backup and restore option, as that is guaranteed to have
a good outcome. To do that, connect the two drives, define the array configuration,
say "yes" when it says "do you want to delete all the data". You'd say yes, because
you have a backup image stored on another drive. (Preferably, a drive stored in
a safe place and known to be good.) Once the RAID 1 is running, then you'd do a
restore onto the array. That requires the least knowledge about what is going on.

If the Intel BIOS setting is wrong, and you really want to run the RAID 1 array
on Intel, it may take some monkey business to get it all the way you want. It really
depends on what drives are connected where, and what mode you've put things in.

Motherboard user manuals *never* give the level of detail needed. In some cases,
a manufacturer provides a second document for download, which may offer the odd
useful tidbit. (Asus, for example, until they ruined their web site, used to
have a separate "Technical Documents" structure, and chip specific details could be
found there. Including details as to whether a single drive could be run on their
RAID controller.) But generally speaking, there is never enough detail to answer
all of your questions. Even our best efforts here might not be enough.

For Intel, on their web site, they offer a manual for each revision of RAID
software they've done. A few Matrix RAID manuals were written. There is
probably one for RST. Nvidia provides a MediaShield manual of a similar
nature. All of those manuals contain tables of allowed RAID migration patterns.
Other controllers have more limited documentation, maybe a page or two in the
main motherboard manual.

Paul
 
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Dan

On 4/15/2011 8:55 PM, Paul wrote:

Thanks for the reply, some additional details
I think the problem with your question is, we don't know
much about the configuration.

1) Is the RAID 1 for a boot partition, or is it data only ?
Data only. I have 2 identical 1TB SATA's which I RAID 1'd in my past PC
under XP, using JMicron. The process seemed much simpler. I just
connected one drive to a special SATA connector on the MOBO, the other
to a 2nd SATA connector on the back panel (though it too was internal),
set the 2 RAID 1 in BIOS, and no problem.
2) Was Windows 7 installed on this motherboard from scratch already, or
are you moving a Windows 7 install from another computer and expecting
it to "pick up and run" on the new motherboard ? If Windows 7 was installed
on this motherboard, did you set the Intel to AHCI or RAID, and did you
use the Intel Southbridge ports for the drive with the boot partition ?
Win7 is installed, and it was fresh (new build, OS on a blank HDD, not
either of the ones I wish to RAID). The part about the AHCI, creating a
AHCI/RAID driver disk, etc., is what's throwing me. The manual seems to
imply you can only do this BEFORE you install the OS, and I'm afraid if
I attempt if now, I'll hose the installed OS.
3) Do you expect to "transport" the RAID 1 from the old system and have it
work and preserve all files on the new machine ?
No, disks have been formatted, data are on another drive in the PC (I
have 7 in total installed, counting the 2 I want to RAID). I thought
I'd set up the RAID 1, then just copy the files back over from this 3rd
HDD.

You also have several storage controllers on that motherboard. In fact,
all three controller chips support some form of RAID. (Intel, Marvell,
Jmicron/GSATA)
I know! Another reason I'm confused! ;-/

Based on what I've said, is there a particular course you'd recommend?
My nightmare scenario is I'll derail the OS trying to get this to work!

Thanks very much Paul for your in-depth reply, I appreciate it!

Dan
 
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Paul

Dan said:
On 4/15/2011 8:55 PM, Paul wrote:

Thanks for the reply, some additional details


Data only. I have 2 identical 1TB SATA's which I RAID 1'd in my past PC
under XP, using JMicron. The process seemed much simpler. I just
connected one drive to a special SATA connector on the MOBO, the other
to a 2nd SATA connector on the back panel (though it too was internal),
set the 2 RAID 1 in BIOS, and no problem.


Win7 is installed, and it was fresh (new build, OS on a blank HDD, not
either of the ones I wish to RAID). The part about the AHCI, creating a
AHCI/RAID driver disk, etc., is what's throwing me. The manual seems to
imply you can only do this BEFORE you install the OS, and I'm afraid if
I attempt if now, I'll hose the installed OS.


No, disks have been formatted, data are on another drive in the PC (I
have 7 in total installed, counting the 2 I want to RAID). I thought
I'd set up the RAID 1, then just copy the files back over from this 3rd
HDD.



I know! Another reason I'm confused! ;-/

Based on what I've said, is there a particular course you'd recommend?
My nightmare scenario is I'll derail the OS trying to get this to work!

Thanks very much Paul for your in-depth reply, I appreciate it!

Dan
If the previous install was a Jmicron RAID, then maybe the simplest
option would be Jmicron on the new machine.

The manual seems to suggest the two connectors whose name begins with
GSATA2 are the Jmicron ones. Based on the "one PATA, two SATA" in the
description, it sounds like the chip is a JMB363.

Try installing any "Gigabyte SATA" or "Jmicron" driver they may have
given you. If you were stumped for a source of drivers, you could
try

http://www.jmicron.com/Driver.htm

The driver there is for JMB36x, and JMB363 should be covered.

If you need hardware identification, there aren't really any tools
I like. What I do usually, is start with Everest Free Edition...

http://majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

The company Lavalys also offers commercial versions, but I use the
free version as I'm on a limited budget.

I think I got that to run on Windows 7, but don't remember
the details, like whether I had to be elevated to run it.

Under Devices:pCI Devices, I have a "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE COntroller"
and the Device ID is 197B-2368

If I go here and look that up...

http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids

the 197B is Jmicron, the 2368 is JMB368. I think your chip is the
JMB363, so your Device ID would be 197B-2363. The title of the
device would also have to be different than mine.

The purpose of verifying this, is to make sure you should be using
a Jmicron driver. I don't know why Gigabyte goes to the trouble
of obscuring the damn thing, as it just makes this process one
step worse.

Anyway, make sure the Jmicron is turned on in the BIOS. I flipped
further back in the Gigabyte user manual, and I'm looking at the title

"5-1-2 Configuring JMicron JMB362/GIGABYTE SATA2 SATA Controller"

near the top of page 93. It seems to be written in a generic fashion,
and attempts to cover the case of a JMB362 and a JMB363. You would
want to set your GSATA2 to "RAID/IDE" where the RAID refers to the
two GSATA2 ports, and the IDE refers to the IDE connector.

As long as it's "Enabled" and "EAID/IDE", you should be ready to
install the Jmicron driver. Try the Gigabyte version first, in
case they've done something strange to it.

The manual mentions "Press <Ctrl-G> to enter RAID Setup Utility",
which would be a message you see during the POST sequence. Pressing
control-G early in POST, should allow you to configure the two
disks you've connected to the two GSATA2 ports. If you haven't
made any changes to the two disks, the array may even come up
unaided.

*******

With regard to the Intel and Windows 7...

You can "re-arm" Windows 7, so that on the next boot, it'll try
a driver it's got. That allows changing from IDE to AHCI or
RAID mode on SATA. The built-in Intel driver is called "iastorv" where the
V is for Vista (when it was first introduced).

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...e-Ide-Ahci-n-m-raid-mode-without-reinstalling

If you wanted to plug the disks into the Intel ports, then you'd want
to do the registry change first, change the BIOS mode next, and
test boot the system and verify the driver change "took". Then,
connect up the new pair of disks. That would be, if you preferred
Intel RAID software, to whatever Jmicron offers.

The Jmicron procedure above is a bit easier, because it's a relatively
independent subsystem.

Paul
 
D

Dan

If the previous install was a Jmicron RAID, then maybe the simplest
option would be Jmicron on the new machine.

The manual seems to suggest the two connectors whose name begins with
GSATA2 are the Jmicron ones. Based on the "one PATA, two SATA" in the
description, it sounds like the chip is a JMB363.

Try installing any "Gigabyte SATA" or "Jmicron" driver they may have
given you. If you were stumped for a source of drivers, you could
try

http://www.jmicron.com/Driver.htm

The driver there is for JMB36x, and JMB363 should be covered.

If you need hardware identification, there aren't really any tools
I like. What I do usually, is start with Everest Free Edition...

http://majorgeeks.com/download4181.html

The company Lavalys also offers commercial versions, but I use the
free version as I'm on a limited budget.

I think I got that to run on Windows 7, but don't remember
the details, like whether I had to be elevated to run it.

Under Devices:pCI Devices, I have a "Standard Dual Channel PCI IDE
COntroller"
and the Device ID is 197B-2368

If I go here and look that up...

http://pciids.sourceforge.net/pci.ids

the 197B is Jmicron, the 2368 is JMB368. I think your chip is the
JMB363, so your Device ID would be 197B-2363. The title of the
device would also have to be different than mine.

The purpose of verifying this, is to make sure you should be using
a Jmicron driver. I don't know why Gigabyte goes to the trouble
of obscuring the damn thing, as it just makes this process one
step worse.

Anyway, make sure the Jmicron is turned on in the BIOS. I flipped
further back in the Gigabyte user manual, and I'm looking at the title

"5-1-2 Configuring JMicron JMB362/GIGABYTE SATA2 SATA Controller"

near the top of page 93. It seems to be written in a generic fashion,
and attempts to cover the case of a JMB362 and a JMB363. You would
want to set your GSATA2 to "RAID/IDE" where the RAID refers to the
two GSATA2 ports, and the IDE refers to the IDE connector.

As long as it's "Enabled" and "EAID/IDE", you should be ready to
install the Jmicron driver. Try the Gigabyte version first, in
case they've done something strange to it.

The manual mentions "Press <Ctrl-G> to enter RAID Setup Utility",
which would be a message you see during the POST sequence. Pressing
control-G early in POST, should allow you to configure the two
disks you've connected to the two GSATA2 ports. If you haven't
made any changes to the two disks, the array may even come up
unaided.

*******

With regard to the Intel and Windows 7...

You can "re-arm" Windows 7, so that on the next boot, it'll try
a driver it's got. That allows changing from IDE to AHCI or
RAID mode on SATA. The built-in Intel driver is called "iastorv" where the
V is for Vista (when it was first introduced).

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/f...e-Ide-Ahci-n-m-raid-mode-without-reinstalling


If you wanted to plug the disks into the Intel ports, then you'd want
to do the registry change first, change the BIOS mode next, and
test boot the system and verify the driver change "took". Then,
connect up the new pair of disks. That would be, if you preferred
Intel RAID software, to whatever Jmicron offers.

The Jmicron procedure above is a bit easier, because it's a relatively
independent subsystem.

Paul
Thanks Paul, I'll give your suggestions a try. I think you're right,
I'll go with the JMicron option.

Again, I appreciate your time,

Dan
 

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