MS Outlook Express

[L. V. Bekeris]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

 

[SC Tom]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

There are plenty of news clients and mail/news client combos, some free,
some cheap, and some expensive. Try a Google search for each, read the
reviews, try some of them, and choose for yourself. That would be your best
course of action.
--
SC Tom

"Owning a handgun doesn't make you armed
any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician."
Lt. Col. J.D. "Jeff" Cooper, USMC, Ret.

 

[Bruce Hagen]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with
MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and
how could I install my news groups?

Do you have an e-mail client installed? XP was the last Windows version to
use Outlook Express. Vista had Windows Mail. Win7 has none.

If all you want is a newsreader, there are plenty. Google.

If you want a "replacement" for Outlook Express, Windows Live Mail is the
successor to OE and WinMail.

Windows Live Mail (Overview, Features & Download):
http://get.live.com/wlmail/overview

 

[Ken Blake]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express.

Correct. No version of Windows since Windows XP has included Outlook
Express.

Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

You need to install a newsreader program--or a combination
newsreader/e-mail program. You have many choices--some free and some
for sale. Here's my standard message on the subject of
newsreaders/e-mail programs:


Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the
last version of Windows to include it.

Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a
newer version of Outlook Express, with a different name), but that is
also gone in Windows 7.

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and
from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
Office.

Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.
My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and FortÊ Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best.
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

 

[XS11E]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop
with MS Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express.
Where, and how could I install my news groups?

If you're used to Outlook Express you can install Windows Mail in Win7.

Windows Mail is the successor to OE that was introduced in Vista.

Get it here:

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/06/05/download-windows-mail-from-vista-for-use-in-windows-7/

NOTE: Read the entire page before doing anything, OK?

 

[Char Jackson]

You need to install a newsreader program--or a combination
newsreader/e-mail program. You have many choices--some free and some
for sale. Here's my standard message on the subject of
newsreaders/e-mail programs:


Outlook Express has been gone for several years. Windows XP was the
last version of Windows to include it.

Windows Vista had Windows Mail as its replacement (it's essentially a
newer version of Outlook Express, with a different name), but that is
also gone in Windows 7.

Windows 7 comes with *no* e-mail or newsgroup program. Although many
people object to this, I think it's a step in the right direction,
since it leaves everyone more free to choose whatever program(s) he
likes best. There are many choices available, both from Microsoft and
from third-parties. Some are free and some are for sale. Microsoft has
Windows Live Mail (which is essentially also a newer version of
Outlook Express/Windows Mail, with still another new name) available
for download for free and Outlook (a different program from outlook
express) available for sale, either alone or as part of Microsoft
Office.

Some people will tell you to use Windows Live Mail; others will tell
you to use Thunderbird; still others may have other recommendations.
My advice is to ignore all such recommendations. I personally use
Microsoft Outlook for e-mail and FortÊ Agent for newsgroups, but you
should try several and choose what *you* like best, rather than make
your decision based on what I, or anyone else, likes best.
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"

 

[Joel]

Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"

This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not
to mention his other fine, helpful posts!

 

[Dave \Crash\ Dummy]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

Here is a selection of mail and news clients (some combined) to look at.

http://thedatalist.com/pages/Mail_Clients.htm

http://thedatalist.com/pages/News_Readers.htm

 

[Tim Slattery]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

Thunderbird (www.mozilla.org/thunderbird) (free)
Forte Agent (www.forteinc.com/agent) (cheap)

and quite a few others, google for newsreaders.

 

[Jeff]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

I too used Outlook Express in XP but because it does not work in W 7, I
evaluated both Windows Live and Thunderbird and settled on TB as the
better one. Now I am happy I made the switch.

 

[Ken Blake]

Ken, every time I see this canned reply from you, I find myself
mumbling two words: "Excellent advice!"

Thanks very much for the kind words.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

 

[Ken Blake]

This was the first time I'd seen it, but it is excellent indeed. Not
to mention his other fine, helpful posts!

And thanks very much to you too.

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

Mozilla Thunderbird.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Zaidy036]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

Try the free Gravity at http://sourceforge.net/projects/mpgravity/

 

[Tom C]

Today I tried to install news.eternal-september. org on my laptop with MS
Win7, but discovered that there is no MS Outlook Express. Where, and how
could I install my news groups?

If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express, download
and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface and had added
ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and others. It's fairly
easy to set up as well. You can even import your contacts from previous
Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even Windows mail.

 

[Tom C]

Ken, you always seem to have your Ps and Qs on board. Great job, and thanks
for all the help you provide.

 

[Ken Blake]

Ken, you always seem to have your Ps and Qs on board. Great job, and thanks
for all the help you provide.

Thanks very much, Tom.


Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

 

[Mortimer]

And just as much of a pain in the ass to back up and restore.

This is what you have to do to back up WLM:

http://liveunplugged.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!F92775FC46A390CA!174.entry

Thunderbird would be much better choice unless, of course, one doesn't
want to back up one's messages, calendar, email accounts, contacts and
news groups. With Thunderbird, all one has to do is back up two files.

The problem with that (and it also affects Outlook) is that every time you
make a small change to the set of emails (receive more, delete some, move
them from one folder to another) you have to back up a humungous file which
takes ages. With all the email and news messages in separate files (or else
in one file per folder/newgroup) you only have to back up what's changed and
not everything else.

I back up the whole of the folder \users\<my user>\apps\windows\windows live
mail so I can restore saved mail if it goes missing or I delete an email by
mistake. I've also generated .iaf files for each of the accounts (once set
up, these never change) so I can regenerate those as well - though I know
the settings so I could do it from scratch if needed.

Most of the time, the only files that change in this folder are the new
emails and the renames for messages that I've moved from one folder to
another. MS SyncToy is great for backing up things like this.

 

[Mortimer]

Define "ages". Ever hear of USB 3.0?

No, actually, I hadn't. I've just Googled it. 4 Gbit/sec is fast! If they
can achieve 400 MB/sec in real life, that would copy even a large PST file
in a few seconds - if the hard disk itself is up to the job. Over USB 2 I
get about 20-25 MB/sec from a modern Vista or Win 7 PC to a Western Digital
"Passport" drive, so a 3 GB PST file (yes, I *have* seen them that big!)
takes a while to copy.

 

[Jeff Layman]

If you want pretty much the same functionality of Outlook express,
download and install Windows Live Mail. It has the same user interface
and had added ability to add email accounts from hotmail, gmail and
others. It's fairly easy to set up as well. You can even import your
contacts from previous Outlook express, Microsoft Outlook and even Windows
mail.

WLM is much less user-friendly than OE. It does not have the same interface
as OE in that you cannot have _all_ your mail and newsgroups folders visible
in the same folder pane. And by visible I don't just mean that you are able
to see them because they aren't all in faint pastel colours!

And let's say in OE and WLM you have a folder called "John" where you put
mails to and from John. If you want to know where that folder is in OE6,
you just right-click and look at Properties. You can then go straight to
that folder in WE if you wish to copy it. Want to do the same thing in WLM?
Just try. It's about as intuitive as a toothbrush for hens.