Microsoft Securities Essentials

M

Mick.

Hi all,
Is the Microsoft Securities Essentials antivirus adequate
protection for my Win 7 64 bit.
I have a trial version on Norton on this new desktop but would prefer to
change but want to make the right move?
Mick.
 
C

charlie

Hi all,
Is the Microsoft Securities Essentials antivirus adequate
protection for my Win 7 64 bit.
I have a trial version on Norton on this new desktop but would prefer to
change but want to make the right move?
Mick.
I don't care for Norton at all, to say the least!
There is no way that I can tell you that MSE is adequate, however, I use
it on my systems, along with SpyBot. I hope Norton has a clean uninstall
these days.
(That was just one of many of my peeves concerning past versions.)
 
M

Mick.

"charlie" wrote in message
Hi all,
Is the Microsoft Securities Essentials antivirus adequate
protection for my Win 7 64 bit.
I have a trial version on Norton on this new desktop but would prefer to
change but want to make the right move?
Mick.
I don't care for Norton at all, to say the least!
There is no way that I can tell you that MSE is adequate, however, I use
it on my systems, along with SpyBot. I hope Norton has a clean uninstall
these days.
(That was just one of many of my peeves concerning past versions.)

I agree I was not too happy the trial version was installed, but hoped it
may have now been ok, it seems to take over, I turned backing up off, but it
is still running.
Mick.
 
V

VanguardLH

Mick said:
"charlie" ...


I don't care for Norton at all, to say the least!
There is no way that I can tell you that MSE is adequate, however, I use
it on my systems, along with SpyBot. I hope Norton has a clean uninstall
these days.
(That was just one of many of my peeves concerning past versions.)
I agree I was not too happy the trial version was installed, but hoped it
may have now been ok, it seems to take over, I turned backing up off, but it
is still running.
Regarding your newsreader, Mick:

WLM v15+ does not properly quote the cited content from a parent post in
your replies. Notice above that your reply is at the same level hence
jumbled into the reply by charlie.

If you continue using WLM with its lack of proper quoting, either add
yourself the indentation and prefix character in each line for proper
quoting or somehow indicate which was the quoted content and which is
your new content.

Regarding your inquiry, Mick:

PC makers bloat their software inventory by dumping trialware onto their
hosts. Users eventually find out it was bloatware, it expires, and they
have to choose to continue or find something else (and hope the
trialware can be correctly and completely uninstalled). They get the
software for free to bloat the software they claim comes with their
hardware. Symantec knows a percentage of such victims will choose to
continue with the existing product (it's what those users are used to).
With Norton, if you uninstall it, make sure to get their cleanup utility
(I think it's called 'rnav'). That doesn't purge your host of all
remnants of their product but it helps to ensure nothing gets left
behind that still gets in the why (i.e., can generate side effects after
uninstall).

I'd go with Avast Home (free). Better coverage, more infection vectors
are covered, and a sandboxing feature (that's supposed to get much
better in the next version - instead of just auto-sandboxing that you
have to watch out for if enabled, you'll be able to blacklist which
processes always get sandboxed).

Besides rating higher detection coverage at av-comparatives.org, Avast
also rates higher at VB100: the farther up the better the reactive
coverage (what the product detects now with its latest program and
database versions), the farther right the better proactive protection
(what it finds by heuristics), so you want a product that is furthest to
up for best coverage now plus the more rightward it is then the more
likely (but not guaranteed) it will find malware not currently
identified by its signature dataabase.

VB100 RAP (reactive and proactive) ratings:
http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/rap-index.xml

Avira is better than Avast but only when you compare the paid version of
Avira against the free version of Avast. Avast, in its free version,
covers more infection vectors than Avira which more than makes up for
the added 1.4% on-demand detection advantage of Avira over Avast. You
can get one of free Avira's features available in Avast (web traffic
monitoring) if you agree to eat some real estate with their adware
toolbar in your web browser (which means that add-on is only effective
when using your web browser, not for other web traffic). Yet I'll grant
that Avira's proactive detection is better than Avast's.

There's no sandboxing in Avira (free or paid versions).

With Avira, you'll have to find out about the workarounds to eliminate
their startup adware banner and also their annoying adware popup window
that appears during signature updates. Avast is adware, too, but you
only see their ad when you open their config UI. One puts ads in your
face. The other hides their ads until you open their program.

MSE has lower false positives than Avira or Avast; however, that's not
unexpected since MSE has less detection coverage than the others. It
can't [false] alarm on what it can't detect.
 
M

mick

I don't care for Norton at all, to say the least!
There is no way that I can tell you that MSE is adequate, however, I use it
on my systems, along with SpyBot. I hope Norton has a clean uninstall these
days.
(That was just one of many of my peeves concerning past versions.)
Each to their own on security preferences.
I have been using Norton Internet Security for the past four years.
Nothing has got by it in that time and I go to some dodgy places at
times. I run Malwarebytes about once a month and no nasties have ever
been found.
Norton does not slow my system up at all. I know previous versions did
and were terrible, but that was a long time ago.
 
S

Stan Brown

"charlie" wrote in message


I don't care for Norton at all, to say the least!
There is no way that I can tell you that MSE is adequate, however, I use
it on my systems, along with SpyBot. I hope Norton has a clean uninstall
these days.
(That was just one of many of my peeves concerning past versions.)

I agree I was not too happy the trial version was installed, but hoped it
may have now been ok, it seems to take over, I turned backing up off, but it
is still running.
Mick.
You might not be aware of a big problem with your quoting style.
The way your newsreader is doing it, when someone else follows
up, it looks like you *said* what you actually only quoted.

The problem is that Windows Live Mail 2011 (version 15) has a
quoting style that is completely broken. Unfortunately that poses
a painful choice to you: either fix every quote manually, or get
a real newsreader such as Gravity, Xananews, and Forte Agent (to
mention some that come to mind at the moment). OR, if you really
want WLM, some say that WLM 14 will serve; see "SC Tom" below.

update 2011-04-02: I've seen a newsgroup posting claiming you
can un-break WLM 15 by installing and using an Autohotkey script:
http://www.dusko-lolic.from.hr/wlmquote/

Thanks for your consideration!

Along with what the others have suggested, you can uninstall
WLM 2011 and install WLM 2009 instead, which handles quoting
a lot better:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/details.aspx?
FamilyID=56883de5-2024-4631-806e-757693072a1c
[or use http://tinyurl.com/25zfouw which redirects to the above]
 
B

Bruce Hagen

mick said:
Each to their own on security preferences.
I have been using Norton Internet Security for the past four years.
Nothing has got by it in that time and I go to some dodgy places at
times. I run Malwarebytes about once a month and no nasties have ever
been found.
Norton does not slow my system up at all. I know previous versions did
and were terrible, but that was a long time ago.



Why did you ask then? MSE works just fine and it is not a resource hog
like Norton. IMO, is a virus.
 
M

mick

mick said:
Why did you ask then? MSE works just fine and it is not a resource hog like
Norton. IMO, is a virus.
Wasn't me who asked, it was Mick. with a capital M
You can borrow my glasses if you like, just send me a stamped address
email LOL
 
B

Bruce Hagen

mick said:
Wasn't me who asked, it was Mick. with a capital M
You can borrow my glasses if you like, just send me a stamped address
email LOL


Sorry, small m mick.
 
W

...winston

"Mick." wrote in message Hi all,
Is the Microsoft Securities Essentials antivirus adequate
protection for my Win 7 64 bit.
I have a trial version on Norton on this new desktop but would prefer to
change but want to make the right move?
Mick.
Try it (MSE) out.
Everyone has their like and dislikes for an AV (be it Norton, ESET, MSE, Avira, etc.)
Not a single one can claim it catches everything.

Regarding the Norton trial.
After downloading a different AV but before installing any other AV product it would be prudent to remove the Norton product.
Download and run the Norton Removal tool for the installed trial Norton (Symantec product)
- http://goo.gl/Sw5W8

Fyi...here's the link to download MSE
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/security-essentials/download
- use the selector to choose the correct version for your o/s
 
Y

Yousuf Khan

Hi all,
Is the Microsoft Securities Essentials antivirus adequate protection for
my Win 7 64 bit.
I have a trial version on Norton on this new desktop but would prefer to
change but want to make the right move?
Mick.
Yeah, quite adequate, and actually I'd suggest it much more highly than
that Norton. Norton, McAfee, and the others, all have fat, bloated
software that tries to do too much and fails miserably at it. The MSE on
the other hand reminds you of older versions of those programs which
used to just do their job and does it without gimmicks or excess.

Yousuf Khan
 
M

Mick

Yeah, quite adequate, and actually I'd suggest it much more highly than
that Norton. Norton, McAfee, and the others, all have fat, bloated
software that tries to do too much and fails miserably at it. The MSE on
the other hand reminds you of older versions of those programs which
used to just do their job and does it without gimmicks or excess.

Yousuf Khan
Hi Mick with big M here,
Have changed to MSE and changed to Agent News reader too!
All I have to do now is find the nity gritty of Agent:)

Is there a group on Agent itself?
Mick.
 
C

Char Jackson

Hi Mick with big M here,
Have changed to MSE and changed to Agent News reader too!
All I have to do now is find the nity gritty of Agent:)

Is there a group on Agent itself?
Check out alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent
 
C

charlie

It fooled me, and I have an eagle eye.

It's right here, in the small drawer to the left.
I freely admit to being quite biased against Norton.

Norton, in the DOS days, had some of the best system utility software
available. They never seemed to properly "catch up" when windows became
paramount.

What I didn't care for with the older Norton windows versions.
Set nonstandard "hooks" into the system.
Was difficult to completely uninstall.
Caused, on occasion, some really strange symptoms involving fairly
common apps.
Was not "Free", in that updates cost an unending amount of money.

I used to use another free antivirus program, mainly with XP and Vista,
until MS decided to more or less include MSE, and the other av program
started getting "bloated", and slowed things down.
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

charlie said:
I freely admit to being quite biased against Norton.

Norton, in the DOS days, had some of the best system utility software
available. They never seemed to properly "catch up" when windows
became paramount.

What I didn't care for with the older Norton windows versions. Set
nonstandard "hooks" into the system. Was difficult to completely
uninstall. Caused, on occasion, some really strange symptoms
involving fairly common apps. Was not "Free", in that updates cost an
unending amount of money.

I used to use another free antivirus program, mainly with XP and
Vista, until MS decided to more or less include MSE, and the other av
program started getting "bloated", and slowed things down.
What is wrong with Norton is that it is no longer Norton. It is
Symantec, and has been for years. Symantec buys top of the line
utilities and turns them into bloated crap.
 
S

Stan Brown

I freely admit to being quite biased against Norton.
It's not bias when it comes out of experience. :)
Norton, in the DOS days, had some of the best system utility software
available. They never seemed to properly "catch up" when windows became
paramount.
Norton, in the DOS days, were utilities written by a man named Peter
Norton, and were quite good. At some point, Symantec bought not only
his software but the right to use his name. As Symantec typically do,
they ruined both. (Partition Magic is another example.

There are others still, but I can't remember them yet. Just for fun,
I googled "Symantec ruined" (with quotes), and found:

* "Symantec ruined this program!! ... I was a beta tester of the
PCTFP ... You ruined a good firewall"

* "Symantec ruined my life" (about Norton AV)

* "An oldie but a goodie. It's a shame that Symantec ruined such
great products."

* " Since Symantec ruined Ghost for disk cloning"

* "Symantec ruined the Corporate AV product"

* "Partition Magic was made by PowerQuest and was probably the best
program of it's kind for many years. It was then bought out by
Symantec, ruined and mad"

And that's just a selection form the first page of 10 hits!
 
D

Dave \Crash\ Dummy

Stan said:
It's not bias when it comes out of experience. :)


Norton, in the DOS days, were utilities written by a man named Peter
Norton, and were quite good. At some point, Symantec bought not only
his software but the right to use his name. As Symantec typically do,
they ruined both. (Partition Magic is another example.

There are others still, but I can't remember them yet. Just for fun,
I googled "Symantec ruined" (with quotes), and found:

* "Symantec ruined this program!! ... I was a beta tester of the
PCTFP ... You ruined a good firewall"

* "Symantec ruined my life" (about Norton AV)

* "An oldie but a goodie. It's a shame that Symantec ruined such
great products."

* " Since Symantec ruined Ghost for disk cloning"

* "Symantec ruined the Corporate AV product"

* "Partition Magic was made by PowerQuest and was probably the best
program of it's kind for many years. It was then bought out by
Symantec, ruined and mad"

And that's just a selection form the first page of 10 hits!
The AtGuard firewall, the best of its kind at the time, is another
Symantec casualty.
 

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