Hibernate

[Robin Bignall]

It's weird. Without changing anything at all, particularly in Power
Options, Hibernate keeps vanishing and then reappearing in the Shut Down
menu.

 

[Robin Bignall]

It's weird. Without changing anything at all, particularly in Power
Options, Hibernate keeps vanishing and then reappearing in the Shut Down
menu.

I've maybe found a clue. I had to shut down last time and now I find
hibernate has reappeared. Maybe Win7 does not allow serial
hibernations?

 

[Ed Cryer]

I've maybe found a clue. I had to shut down last time and now I find
hibernate has reappeared. Maybe Win7 does not allow serial
hibernations?

Do you have Hybrid Sleep enabled?

Ed

 

[Robin Bignall]

Do you have Hybrid Sleep enabled?

Not as far as I know. I've been experimenting today and my thought in
the previous posts were wrong. Hibernate just seems to come and go at
random.

 

[Ed Cryer]

Not as far as I know. I've been experimenting today and my thought in
the previous posts were wrong. Hibernate just seems to come and go at
random.

Perhaps your locale has moved into a time zone where the law of cause
and effect is inoperative.
Have you noticed other events that you can't explain?

Ed

 

[Robin Bignall]

Perhaps your locale has moved into a time zone where the law of cause
and effect is inoperative.

That sounds like the most logical explanation.

Have you noticed other events that you can't explain?

Dozens, every day, during senior moments.

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

That sounds like the most logical explanation.

Dozens, every day, during senior moments.

Having read all that (and I commend you for retaining your sense of
humor/humour), I have a new thought.

Is it possible that there is dome process running that enables and
disables hibernate? Do you have any unusual programs running?

The above is an absolutely wild-assed guess, and is devoid of any
underlying supporting ideas, but maybe someone knows something I don't.
(Where did I get the idea of "maybe"?)

 

[Yousuf Khan]

Not as far as I know. I've been experimenting today and my thought in
the previous posts were wrong. Hibernate just seems to come and go at
random.

Do you have multiple user accounts on that computer? Perhaps, one user
is logging in and they have their own default power scheme which is
different than yours? You should note which power scheme is in effect
whenever you see the hibernate has reappeared, and then disappeared.

Yousuf Khan

 

[Robin Bignall]

Having read all that (and I commend you for retaining your sense of
humor/humour), I have a new thought.

One has to laugh, doesn't one, faced with computers.

Is it possible that there is dome process running that enables and
disables hibernate? Do you have any unusual programs running?

Hmmm. Define "unusual program" other than Windows 7. Hibernate has
been with me all day today so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

The above is an absolutely wild-assed guess, and is devoid of any
underlying supporting ideas, but maybe someone knows something I don't.
(Where did I get the idea of "maybe"?)

Seriously, I just have the regular sort of software that most people
have. Nothing running under emulation;, all Win7 versions where there's
a choice.

 

[Robin Bignall]

Do you have multiple user accounts on that computer? Perhaps, one user
is logging in and they have their own default power scheme which is
different than yours? You should note which power scheme is in effect
whenever you see the hibernate has reappeared, and then disappeared.

That's a good thought, for I think there might be something fragile
about Power Options. But no, only my wife with a non-admin account for
playing the odd game while waiting for me to finish medical things in
the mornings. Her Power Options are the same as mine.

 

[Gene Wirchenko]

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 01:02:13 +0100, Robin Bignall

[snip]

Seriously, I just have the regular sort of software that most people
have. Nothing running under emulation;, all Win7 versions where there's
a choice.

And you have not changed anything either, right? <BEG>

I am still occasionally having my USB drive get the warning when
it mounts on my 7 system. I called Kingston, and the tech suggested
using a non-Window format program. I have reformatted and the data is
being restored now. Whether this will nail the problem remains to be
seen.

There is nothing unusual about my system. As far as I know. The
gremlins, apparently, disagree.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

 

[Gene E. Bloch]

One has to laugh, doesn't one, faced with computers.

Ha ha!

(Somehow I thought of the way tweeners write letters. I hope I'm not
losing it...)

Hmmm. Define "unusual program" other than Windows 7. Hibernate has
been with me all day today so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

I have no idea. I just meant any program that might be changing your
settings vis-a-vis hibernation.

I think by unusual I just meant something I never heard of, or with
properties I never heard of.

Don't forget that my idea was a shot in the dark, from a position of
invincible ignorance...

Seriously, I just have the regular sort of software that most people
have. Nothing running under emulation;, all Win7 versions where there's
a choice.

Sometimes a shot in the dark hits a target. This one was an abject
failure, and as a result my reputation is what was shot. Or do I meant
reinforced?

 

[Ed Cryer]

That's a good thought, for I think there might be something fragile
about Power Options. But no, only my wife with a non-admin account for
playing the odd game while waiting for me to finish medical things in
the mornings. Her Power Options are the same as mine.

There are two major causes of this problem. One I've already mentioned,
Hybrid Sleep. Two is the hibernate file that Windows uses to dump its
memory onto; if not there it won't allow hibernation.

1. Let us know all Sleep settings for each user;

Sleep
Sleep after
Allow hybrid sleep
Hibernate after
Allow wake timers

2. The second needs a file called Hiberfil.sys. This has to be at least
the size of installed memory. Some cleaning utilites wipe this off the
drive.
Let us know how big it is, the amount of RAM installed, and the amount
of free space on that drive.

Ed

 

[Robin Bignall]

There are two major causes of this problem. One I've already mentioned,
Hybrid Sleep. Two is the hibernate file that Windows uses to dump its
memory onto; if not there it won't allow hibernation.

1. Let us know all Sleep settings for each user;

Sleep
Sleep after
Allow hybrid sleep
Hibernate after
Allow wake timers

Both are set to the built-in "High Performance" without any further
tinkering.

The defaults appear to be:
Sleep after : never
Allow hybrid sleep : On
Hibernate after : never
Allow wake timers : enable

and I don't like several of these.

2. The second needs a file called Hiberfil.sys. This has to be at least
the size of installed memory. Some cleaning utilites wipe this off the
drive.
Let us know how big it is, the amount of RAM installed, and the amount
of free space on that drive.

Ram is 16 gig: drive has over 300 gig empty. It's a 512 gig SSD

I'm going to change the power options to ones I like and I'll be back to
tell what happens.

 

[Robin Bignall]

I'm going to change the power options to ones I like and I'll be back to
tell what happens.

I've set it such that nothing turns off, ever, and nothing but the power
button can turn it on, ever. I never leave the system running: I either
hibernate if I'm coming back or shut down if I'm going to bed.
So far it's running, with hibernate an option still, after a reboot.

 

[Paul]

I've set it such that nothing turns off, ever, and nothing but the power
button can turn it on, ever. I never leave the system running: I either
hibernate if I'm coming back or shut down if I'm going to bed.
So far it's running, with hibernate an option still, after a reboot.

Later, if you're bored, you can use "dumppo" in a command prompt.
Just to see what properties exist on the machine. AFAIK, dumppo still
works. It should be able to report ACPI info. You could try elevating
a Command Prompt, if it gives you trouble (Start : "cmd" : right-click
and "Run as Administrator"). The dumppo.exe download was only 12KB,
so it's not a large utility.

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?p=1825058&postcount=31

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oemtest/v1.1/WOSTest/Tools/Acpi/dumppo.exe

Occasionally, there are problems with ftp.microsoft.com , so if
you have trouble with that link, I wouldn't be surprised.

Paul

 

[Ed Cryer]

I've set it such that nothing turns off, ever, and nothing but the power
button can turn it on, ever. I never leave the system running: I either
hibernate if I'm coming back or shut down if I'm going to bed.
So far it's running, with hibernate an option still, after a reboot.

Why are you so reluctant to tell us that you've turned off Hybrid Sleep?
Indeed, have you done so? It's the most usual culprit; and I'm getting a
bit weary with keep telling you and not hearing that you have done so.

Ed

 

[Robin Bignall]

Later, if you're bored, you can use "dumppo" in a command prompt.
Just to see what properties exist on the machine. AFAIK, dumppo still
works. It should be able to report ACPI info. You could try elevating
a Command Prompt, if it gives you trouble (Start : "cmd" : right-click
and "Run as Administrator"). The dumppo.exe download was only 12KB,
so it's not a large utility.

http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?p=1825058&postcount=31

ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/products/Oemtest/v1.1/WOSTest/Tools/Acpi/dumppo.exe

Occasionally, there are problems with ftp.microsoft.com , so if
you have trouble with that link, I wouldn't be surprised.

I already have dumppo, but I can't tell what the parameters mean. dumppo
/? does nothing.

 

[Robin Bignall]

Why are you so reluctant to tell us that you've turned off Hybrid Sleep?
Indeed, have you done so? It's the most usual culprit; and I'm getting a
bit weary with keep telling you and not hearing that you have done so.

It's off. That's also the default for the built-in "High Performance"
setting, as you would know had you looked.

 

[Paul]

I already have dumppo, but I can't tell what the parameters mean. dumppo
/? does nothing.

Try "dumppo" with no arguments.

dumppo: cap ps bs admin ac dc

Then, try "dumppo admin" to see some settings.

You can also try "dumppo dc" or "dumppo ac" for fun. Or even "dumppo cap".
Hibernate is S4, in the listings.

There was one web page, that claimed if a driver was preventing
a particular ACPI state from working, then dumppo would present
a message about it. I've never seen such a thing in practice.

Paul