Footswitch?

P

Peter Jason

I have windows7.

My right wrist is sore, possibly from RSI, and I ask if Windows7 has a
foot switch to act as an 'enter' key. I have already swapped the
mouse over for left-hand use.

Peter
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

At that price I'd keep the RSI.

Of course not, but it isn't cheap. OTOH, it looks pretty neat - it even
has two pedals, instead of one.

But I'm thinking of how many mouses and keyboards I've bought to deal
with my RSI (which isn't severe), and suddenly that item might be
cheaper than I first thought :)

But take a look at this page:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3ml8jmf

Many switches around $25, and that's only the first unsponsored hit
from Googling on "USB foot switch".
 
M

Metspitzer

At that price I'd keep the RSI.

Of course not, but it isn't cheap. OTOH, it looks pretty neat - it even
has two pedals, instead of one.

But I'm thinking of how many mouses and keyboards I've bought to deal
with my RSI (which isn't severe), and suddenly that item might be
cheaper than I first thought :)

But take a look at this page:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/3ml8jmf

Many switches around $25, and that's only the first unsponsored hit
from Googling on "USB foot switch".
Then it shifts the strain to your ankle joint. I tried one. My ankle
became very sore in a short time.
 
B

Bob I

Two mice, use your left thumb on the second mouse primary button as the
"enter" key.
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

On Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:47:59 -0700, Gene E. Bloch
Then it shifts the strain to your ankle joint. I tried one. My ankle
became very sore in a short time.
Actually, I was thinking of saying that in my reply, sarcastic critter
that I am, but for once I restrained my tongue :)

And now you tell us that my sarcasm would have actually been true.
Weird enough.

But you know, different people are ... different, and maybe Peter Jason
won't have the same problem you did, so it might be worth a try for
him.
 
C

choro

Actually, I was thinking of saying that in my reply, sarcastic critter
that I am, but for once I restrained my tongue :)

And now you tell us that my sarcasm would have actually been true. Weird
enough.

But you know, different people are ... different, and maybe Peter Jason
won't have the same problem you did, so it might be worth a try for him.
BULLSHIT!
 
C

choro

Two mice, use your left thumb on the second mouse primary button as the
"enter" key.
RSI is the result of NOT being relaxed. Tendons tend to get tired when
held for any length of time (even short periods of time) tensed up. So
it is a question of tension followed by relaxation and to achieve this
you need to assume a natural sitting position at the right height etc etc.

Musicians tend to use their fingers a lot more than keyboard typists. So
how come they don't suffer. Oh, some do at least in the beginning stages
until they have learned to assume the correct playing positions and how
NOT to keep their muscles and ligaments in the strained position.

Remember, any finger not being used should be relaxed. And should only
spring to action when needed. And it is also very important that the
wrists are kept at a comfortable height, hence the importance of the
right desk height combined with the right chair height. And hence the
importance of an adjustable height chair since we are not all the same
height.

Go find out about the Alexander Technique, for heaven's sake. NO, it is
not written for computer keyboard users but for actors, believe it or not.

Even your dick would get very painful if it is stiff all the time.
That's why it goes flaccid until the next time it needs to spring into
action. Just like your fingers should behave when striking the keys.

Hopefully, people will remember this.

Shit! So much bullshit is written by people who do not know what they
are talking about and who have no idea of the subject matter.

Now you've got it for the horse's mouth.

LEARN TO RELAX THOSE FINGERS AND MAKE SURE YOU HOLD YOUR WRISTS AT A
COMFORTABLE ANGLE. This naturally depends on a combination of factors
such as the height of the desk, your physique, the height of the chair etc.

And they do say that when you are reading or writing the light should
come over your left shoulder. Can anyone think of a logical reason for
this? Exceptions? Of course there are exceptions. OK let me give you a
clue... For left handed people the light should come from over the RH
shoulder... Now this is a dead give away clue!

Shit, why do I bother?!

You give people good advice and do they bother to listen?
 
C

choro

I just used the word "constructively" in another post. You are at no
risk of my using it in regard to your post.
Me?! Me destructive! Me like being destructive *and* distractive!
;-)
But honestly I see no reason to use a footswitch unless one's hands are
incapacitated or are busy doing something else like when watching porno
for example! LOL
 
J

John Morrison

Hopefully, people will remember this.

Shit! So much bullshit is written by people who do not know what they
are talking about and who have no idea of the subject matter.

Now you've got it for the horse's mouth.

LEARN TO RELAX THOSE FINGERS AND MAKE SURE YOU HOLD YOUR WRISTS AT A
COMFORTABLE ANGLE. This naturally depends on a combination of factors
such as the height of the desk, your physique, the height of the chair etc.

And they do say that when you are reading or writing the light should
come over your left shoulder. Can anyone think of a logical reason for
this? Exceptions? Of course there are exceptions. OK let me give you a
clue... For left handed people the light should come from over the RH
shoulder... Now this is a dead give away clue!

Shit, why do I bother?!

You give people good advice and do they bother to listen?
I can't listen, my newsreader only provides text and not sound. ; )
 
P

Peter Jason

RSI is the result of NOT being relaxed. Tendons tend to get tired when
held for any length of time (even short periods of time) tensed up. So
it is a question of tension followed by relaxation and to achieve this
you need to assume a natural sitting position at the right height etc etc.

Musicians tend to use their fingers a lot more than keyboard typists. So
how come they don't suffer. Oh, some do at least in the beginning stages
until they have learned to assume the correct playing positions and how
NOT to keep their muscles and ligaments in the strained position.

Remember, any finger not being used should be relaxed. And should only
spring to action when needed. And it is also very important that the
wrists are kept at a comfortable height, hence the importance of the
right desk height combined with the right chair height. And hence the
importance of an adjustable height chair since we are not all the same
height.

Go find out about the Alexander Technique, for heaven's sake. NO, it is
not written for computer keyboard users but for actors, believe it or not.

Even your dick would get very painful if it is stiff all the time.
That's why it goes flaccid until the next time it needs to spring into
action. Just like your fingers should behave when striking the keys.

Hopefully, people will remember this.

Shit! So much bullshit is written by people who do not know what they
are talking about and who have no idea of the subject matter.

Now you've got it for the horse's mouth.

LEARN TO RELAX THOSE FINGERS AND MAKE SURE YOU HOLD YOUR WRISTS AT A
COMFORTABLE ANGLE. This naturally depends on a combination of factors
such as the height of the desk, your physique, the height of the chair etc.

And they do say that when you are reading or writing the light should
come over your left shoulder. Can anyone think of a logical reason for
this? Exceptions? Of course there are exceptions. OK let me give you a
clue... For left handed people the light should come from over the RH
shoulder... Now this is a dead give away clue!

Shit, why do I bother?!

You give people good advice and do they bother to listen?
I never had this trouble before computers even though I played the
piano a lot years ago, and work with my hands all the time, and lift
heavy items and walk miles every day. I rest my wrists on a 2" thick
slab of wood to elevate them above the keyboard and try to relax all
the time. The doctor said complete rest was the solution, or perhaps
immobilization in a brace for weeks. Then he gave me a shot of
cortisone - but this effect was only temporary. Naturally I'm
desperate. I wonder if there are USB eyeglasses to activate the
'enter' key by blinking? Perhaps I need my old music teacher back to
rap me over the knuckles with her rule when I do something wrong. That
used to work well.

Alas
 
M

Metspitzer

I have windows7.

My right wrist is sore, possibly from RSI, and I ask if Windows7 has a
foot switch to act as an 'enter' key. I have already swapped the
mouse over for left-hand use.

Peter
Have you tried Voice Commands? I messed around with it for a while
when I was using my laptop. It works better with a headset and no TV
playing in the background.
 
P

Peter Jason

Have you tried Voice Commands? I messed around with it for a while
when I was using my laptop. It works better with a headset and no TV
playing in the background.
No. I'd better check. Thanks
 
C

choro

No. I'd better check. Thanks
Forget this. It is more hassle than it is worth. Heed to my advice about
giving your arms and fingers a rest. Keep your aching wrists/fingers
warm and dip them in hot water. But above all learn to relax from the
shoulders down and DO make sure that your keyboard is angled and that
you are sitting high enough so that your forearms are slanted slightly
downwards.

AND NO WRIST RESTS, please! That's one sure way of disabling your wrists
relaxing.
 
C

Char Jackson

I never had this trouble before computers even though I played the
piano a lot years ago, and work with my hands all the time, and lift
heavy items and walk miles every day. I rest my wrists on a 2" thick
slab of wood to elevate them above the keyboard and try to relax all
the time.
For me, a 2" block of wood seems like it would cause exactly the
problem you're complaining about. Have you tried removing it?
The doctor said complete rest was the solution, or perhaps
immobilization in a brace for weeks. Then he gave me a shot of
cortisone - but this effect was only temporary. Naturally I'm
desperate. I wonder if there are USB eyeglasses to activate the
'enter' key by blinking?
You've mentioned the Enter key a couple of times now. What are you
doing that causes you to hit Enter more than a few times a day? That's
about how often I use it, so I'm curious.

Meanwhile, my best advice is to take the Doc's advice. Stay away from
the computer for a few weeks and let things heal. It can be done.
(Staying away, I mean.) :)
 
A

Allen

Forget this. It is more hassle than it is worth. Heed to my advice about
giving your arms and fingers a rest. Keep your aching wrists/fingers
warm and dip them in hot water. But above all learn to relax from the
shoulders down and DO make sure that your keyboard is angled and that
you are sitting high enough so that your forearms are slanted slightly
downwards.

AND NO WRIST RESTS, please! That's one sure way of disabling your wrists
relaxing.
Why are we to assume that you are an expert IRT RSI? Credentials,
please--or else shut up.
Allen
 
P

Peter Jason

Forget this. It is more hassle than it is worth. Heed to my advice about
giving your arms and fingers a rest. Keep your aching wrists/fingers
warm and dip them in hot water. But above all learn to relax from the
shoulders down and DO make sure that your keyboard is angled and that
you are sitting high enough so that your forearms are slanted slightly
downwards.

AND NO WRIST RESTS, please! That's one sure way of disabling your wrists
relaxing.
Should the keyboard be angled towards or away from me?

I have removed the wrist rests.
 
C

choro

Should the keyboard be angled towards or away from me?

I have removed the wrist rests.
Sorry for being so verbose. You see in my younger days I used to be a
reporter getting paid by the word! ;-)

But seriously I am writing all this not only for you but for others also
who might be following this thread.

And thirdly I am firm believer in not only telling people what to do but
to explain the reasons behind the thinking.

As a Chinese saying goes, "Tell me how to do it and I will forget. Show
me how to do it and I might remember. But let me do it and I will remember!"

And since the only option for me here is to tell you and others how to
do it, I have to lay out the reason behind my thinking hoping that they
will grasp the logic behind my thinking or rather my method.

And do make sure to study those web pages with the URLs I have indicated
below.

Look at a standard keyboard for desktops. It has got feet at the back to
raise the back just by about 1 inch. So if you are using a laptop, get
something (I use a gel wrist rest) to insert under the far backside of
the laptop to raise the back of the laptop by just under 1 inch. The
exact angle will depend on the front to back measurement of your laptop
and the height of whatever you use to raise the back. The keyboard
should slope slightly upwards away from you (but only by around 10 degrees).

Incidentally Samsung are apparently manufacturing a small laptop/netbook
with exactly this angling of the keyboard. It looks like somebody has
got the message at long last.

Here, have a look at this Apple keyboard and see how that tubular thing
at the back (the battery compartment it actually is) raises the back of
the keyboard by around 10 degrees by raising the back by around an inch.

I am a touch typist and used to write news stories at 80 wpm all day
long; so you can rest assured that I know what I am talking about. And
that was on old mechanical typewriters which had keyboards sloping
upwards away from the typist. That design was for a reason!

A keyboard laid out flat as on laptops is guarantee of RSI, as they call
it. I said RSI is a misnomer. It is NOT the repetitive strain that
causes the injury but the fact that those prone to RSI have not learned
to relax their muscles in between, so to speak. Muscles cannot be held
in any specific tension for long. And this is quite easy to prove. Just
raise your arms to shoulder height and hold them horizontal for a few
minutes without moving them. The arms will soon start feeling heavy and
tired. Now, hold your arms at the same height but move them around, up
and down, draw figures of 8 or any other shape. So long as they are
moving up and down, the shoulder muscles tense up and relax. In other
words they do not remain tensed up for long. Remember it is
Tension>Relaxation. So long as this Tension>Relaxation cycle is
continued the shoulders automatically relax as the arms move downwards.

I know what I am talking about, believe me. For 8 years in my younger
days I was in the news business and I used to write the equivalent of a
paperback every 3 weeks or so. Now, that was a lot of typing especially
on the old mechanical keyboards and I never got RSI. That could be due
to the fact that I actually studied music which involves a lot of
fingerwork and heaven help you if you haven't learned to relax if you
are training to become a professional musician.

A good book to read is "Zen in the Art of Archery" by Eugen Herrigel.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-m...05090/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_2?ie=UTF8&index=2

Mind you, you might have to read it several times before the message
sinks in. The book is all about relaxing and letting things happen. You
don't do things. You let them happen. You don't for example aim the
arrow but just release it. Doesn't make sense to our Western way of
thinking, does it? Of course not. But, and here is my understanding of
it, exactly the same thing happened in the Wild West. The cowboys did
not AIM their pistols. No, they fired from the hip. And that, I can tell
you, is very Zen. A good musician can play his instrument, be it a piano
or a cello, in complete darkness. And how can an archer score a bull's
eye hit when, in complete darkness, he cannot even see the tip of his
arrow? But to achieve all this he has got to be perfectly relaxed. If
you read that book carefully several times, the idea will sink in.

Here is another proof that not doing anything can be very tiring and
very demanding of the physical sinews and muscles. Go for a one hour
stroll either window-shopping or walking through the woods. Another day
try standing absolutely still for an hour and see which will tire you
out! ;-)

Strolling will require you to tense and relax your muscles in quick
succession. Standing still your muscles will remain somewhat tensed up
without relaxing and this will tire you out in no time. Raising your
arms to shoulder level and holding them absolutely still, you will soon
notice the effects of the slight tension that is needed to hold your
arms so very still at shoulder height.

And do not forget to give your wrists and fingers a well deserved rest
since you have obviously been mistreating them. If the pain is not too
bad you can exercise them a bit and dip them in hot water to relax the
muscles and tendons while also encouraging blood flow to combat the heat.

Some people use ice to the same effect to cause blood to rush to the
area, this time to warm up that part of the body. I prefer the hot water
approach as it also helps relax the sinews and muscles.
--
choro
*****
PS. Sorry if I made a mess of things as I seem to be doing several jobs
at once after a completely sleepless night. I just haven't got the
patience to read through what I have written.

And if you want to ask me to clarify any point, I promise to be very
brief and to the point next time. ;-)
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

I am a touch typist and used to write news stories at 80 wpm all day long; so
you can rest assured that I know what I am talking about. And that was on old
mechanical typewriters which had keyboards sloping upwards away from the
typist. That design was for a reason!
Yes, to allow the actuation levers on the several rows of keys to
coexist.
 
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