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webster72n

Why am I getting this timeout message from nntp for the
msnews.microsoft.com news account with Sea Monkey and Windows Mail?
Realizing full well the nature of this newsgroup, i nevertheless come
here, since I cannot locate the Vista group.
My system: Windows Vista, Home Premium, 32bit.
The error code: 400.
Timeout Code: 800ccca0.
TIA,

Harry.
 
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BillW50

Why am I getting this timeout message from nntp for the
msnews.microsoft.com news account with Sea Monkey and Windows Mail?
Realizing full well the nature of this newsgroup, i nevertheless come
here, since I cannot locate the Vista group.
My system: Windows Vista, Home Premium, 32bit.
The error code: 400.
Timeout Code: 800ccca0.
TIA,

Harry.
That is because Microsoft shut down their news server like years ago.
 
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richard

Why am I getting this timeout message from nntp for the
msnews.microsoft.com news account with Sea Monkey and Windows Mail?
Realizing full well the nature of this newsgroup, i nevertheless come
here, since I cannot locate the Vista group.
My system: Windows Vista, Home Premium, 32bit.
The error code: 400.
Timeout Code: 800ccca0.
TIA,

Harry.
overload!
it happens with numerous services.
it matters not what client you use.
it matters not what newsgroup you want.
think of it as "grid lock" or a traffic jam.
 
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Nil

overload!
it happens with numerous services.
it matters not what client you use.
it matters not what newsgroup you want.
think of it as "grid lock" or a traffic jam.
Nonsense.
 
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Dave \Crash\ Dummy

webster72n said:
Why am I getting this timeout message from nntp for the
msnews.microsoft.com news account with Sea Monkey and Windows Mail?
Realizing full well the nature of this newsgroup, i nevertheless come
here, since I cannot locate the Vista group. My system: Windows
Vista, Home Premium, 32bit. The error code: 400. Timeout Code:
800ccca0.
As others have pointed out, the Microsoft NNTP server no longer exists.
However, some of the MS newsgroups live on on Usenet. If you are looking
for a specific MS newsgroup, check your Usenet host. Search your server
list of newsgroups for "microsoft.public"
 
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Paul

webster72n said:
Why am I getting this timeout message from nntp for the
msnews.microsoft.com news account with Sea Monkey and Windows Mail?
Realizing full well the nature of this newsgroup, i nevertheless come
here, since I cannot locate the Vista group.
My system: Windows Vista, Home Premium, 32bit.
The error code: 400.
Timeout Code: 800ccca0.
TIA,

Harry.
You sent this message via aioe.org

You should be able to see

microsoft.public.windows.vista.general

in the newsgroup list. If not, you can try reloading
the newsgroup list, and then it should be there.

The microsoft.* tree, is an "import" from when Microsoft ran
their own server. Since no signed control messages were sent to delete
the groups, from Microsoft, the groups continue to run on each server.

Messages from these groups, are circulated to all NNTP servers
carrying similar groups. For example, eternal-september news
server, would also carry that group. A posting to the group
while connected to aioe.org, will show up for users on
eternal-september or giganews or whatever.

Newer subject areas, are added informally to the alt.* tree,
since it would be inappropriate at this time to add content
to the microsoft.* area (there's no proper way to manage
groups there any more). Examples of alt.* groups

alt.comp.os.windows-8
alt.windows7.general

Those two groups are not archived on Google. Which means
searching the groups, is similar to dealing with USENET
in the "pre deja.com era". Still, it's what you use, if you
don't want to use Microsoft web-fora instead.

Paul
 
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webster72n

Paul said:
You sent this message via aioe.org

You should be able to see

microsoft.public.windows.vista.general
Sorry, but no can do, Paul, even with reloading.
in the newsgroup list. If not, you can try reloading
the newsgroup list, and then it should be there.

The microsoft.* tree, is an "import" from when Microsoft ran
their own server. Since no signed control messages were sent to delete
the groups, from Microsoft, the groups continue to run on each server.

Messages from these groups, are circulated to all NNTP servers
carrying similar groups. For example, eternal-september news
server, would also carry that group. A posting to the group
while connected to aioe.org, will show up for users on
eternal-september or giganews or whatever.

Newer subject areas, are added informally to the alt.* tree,
since it would be inappropriate at this time to add content
to the microsoft.* area (there's no proper way to manage
groups there any more). Examples of alt.* groups

alt.comp.os.windows-8
alt.windows7.general

Those two groups are not archived on Google. Which means
searching the groups, is similar to dealing with USENET
in the "pre deja.com era". Still, it's what you use, if you
don't want to use Microsoft web-fora instead.

Paul
Thanks for the help.

Harry
 
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Big Steel

Why am I getting this timeout message from nntp for the
msnews.microsoft.com news account with Sea Monkey and Windows Mail?
Realizing full well the nature of this newsgroup, i nevertheless come
here, since I cannot locate the Vista group.
My system: Windows Vista, Home Premium, 32bit.
The error code: 400.
Timeout Code: 800ccca0.
TIA,

Harry.
All that is dead as MS killed its involvement with NNTP that it once had
to better control the rift-raft, flaming and trolling that was dominate
in the forums.

It's a control atmosphere now, and you can only get to the MS forums
through a browser or the MS NNTP Bridge program (free), which allows you
to access the forums through a NG reader. I use the NNTP Bridge program
on Vista and now on Win 7 with no problems.
 
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Paul

webster72n said:
Sorry, but no can do, Paul, even with reloading.
OK, let's compare notes.

This would be my folder with the various subscribed newsgroups in it.
There is a file in here called "hostinfo.dat", a text file. When you
refresh the groups list, that file should get updated, and a new
datestamp of today should be used on the file.

C:\Documents and Settings\My Username\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\4zqwo50y.default\News\nntp.aioe.org

I open "hostinfo.dat" with Notepad. Scroll to the bottom.
Highlight the last line. Use Use:Goto dialog to get the line
number of the currently highlighted line. That number is 28513.
The last line is "free.de.soc.gesundheit,,1,0,0". There are 10
lines at the beginning of the file that are not newsgroups.
That leaves a group count of roughly 28503.

Using the same file, I can find this. Using Edit:Goto, this
is at line 20926.

microsoft.public.windows.vista.general,,1,0,0

You're using Seamonkey, which is going to be slightly different
than the Thunderbird I'm using. This seems to suggest that it
too uses hostinfo.dat, one per NNTP server.

http://seamonkey.ilias.ca/profilefaq/

In the directory above that, is the file that has the current
subscription information. I split this on two lines, to make it
easier to read. The file itself is relatively small, as I
don't subscribe to that many groups.

C:\Documents and Settings\My Username\Application Data\Thunderbird\
Profiles\4zqwo50y.default\News\nntp.aioe.org.rc

If I scroll to the bottom of that, I can see the newsgroup
I freshly subscribed to moments ago. The numbers are a way of
keeping track of which articles I've read, out of that group.

microsoft.public.windows.vista.general: 1-89035,89113,89119

If you shut down your newsreader, edit that file and set it like
this, this will pull in the maximum number of new articles that
are available. The NNTP server uses low-water and high-water marks,
and setting the file to this, it claims the user hasn't read or
fetched any info yet. I've used this trick for years, with various
clients, to get as many articles into the list as possible.

microsoft.public.windows.vista.general: 1-1

After you scan the NNTP server, the numbers will update, as will the
display of headers. If the client and server lose synchronization
on the low and high water marks, attempts to fetch articles will
fail to produce new articles. Resetting the values to "1-1",
will ensure the end up synchronized.

On Thunderbird, unsubscribing then resubscribing, won't properly
define the water marks and correct things. Some other clients, they
properly clear themselves, when you do that. But Thunderbird doesn't,
which is why you may occasionally need to edit nntp.aioe.org.rc.

Have a look in your folder, and see what's in there. If you do
it with the Seamonkey client exited, any changes you make to the
file are more likely to be kept.

If refreshing the groups list is not updating hostinfo.dat and
changing the date on the file, then something is broke.

Paul
 
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webster72n

webster72n said:
Sorry, but no can do, Paul, even with reloading.
A slight correction:
I managed to find the appropriate group for Vista.
All help is being appreciated, thank you very much.

Harry.
 

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