C drive access problem

[dustie]

hi all

Just got a new PC that was pre-installed with Windows 7. It had been
set up with a user called "User 1" and had folders/etc. called "User1"
underneath the "Users" directory. I found that if I changed my User
Name, the folder still stayed the same name and didn't want it all
configured like that so I set up a brand new user called "Dust", made it
an Admin and copied everything across to it...

I've got a problem though in that it won't let me create/save files on
the main C: drive and tells me "You don't have permissiosn to save in
this location. Contact the administrator to obtain permission".

I *am* the administrator!!!

Can anyone help?

 

[dustie]

hi all

Just got a new PC that was pre-installed with Windows 7. It had been
set up with a user called "User 1" and had folders/etc. called "User1"
underneath the "Users" directory. I found that if I changed my User
Name, the folder still stayed the same name and didn't want it all
configured like that so I set up a brand new user called "Dust", made
it an Admin and copied everything across to it...

I've got a problem though in that it won't let me create/save files on
the main C: drive and tells me "You don't have permissiosn to save in
this location. Contact the administrator to obtain permission".

I *am* the administrator!!!

Can anyone help?

Have just tried doing the same actually logged into the *real*
Administrator account - and I've got exactly the same problem!? It
won't let me even save a simple newly-created .TXT file to the C: drive
and just says "Access Denied". It also won't let me move files around
saying I need Admin permissions....

Grrrrr.

 

[jvalh]

Have just tried doing the same actually logged into the *real*
Administrator account - and I've got exactly the same problem!? It
won't let me even save a simple newly-created .TXT file to the C: drive
and just says "Access Denied". It also won't let me move files around
saying I need Admin permissions....

Grrrrr.

You're not the only ones.... same here.

 

[Char Jackson]

Have just tried doing the same actually logged into the *real*
Administrator account - and I've got exactly the same problem!? It
won't let me even save a simple newly-created .TXT file to the C: drive
and just says "Access Denied". It also won't let me move files around
saying I need Admin permissions....

Grrrrr.

I can't duplicate that here. When you say the C: drive, do you mean
the root of the C: drive, or some (protected?) subfolder?

 

[dustie]

You're not the only ones.... same here.

Is this a known problem? I've tried "giving myself" full access
permissions to the C: drive and it just comes up telling me "access
denired - hiberfil.sys"...

This is ridiculous!! All I want to do is create/edit some text files in
the main C: Drive, NOT in the "My Documents" folder. Why the hell won;t
it let me????

 

[dustie]

I can't duplicate that here. When you say the C: drive, do you mean
the root of the C: drive, or some (protected?) subfolder?

yes, its't the root - the top level of the C: drive - that I'm trying to
edit files in.

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Dustie.

The Root folder - C:\ - is a secure location that Win7 will not willingly
save anything to. But you can create a subfolder there - say C:\Dustie -
and save to that. In Help and Support, search for "secure locations" for
some details. The Program Files folder tree is another such secure
location, since users are not supposed to store data there, either directly
for from an application.

You can open an elevated Command Prompt window and use the DOS-like Copy
command in that window. Right-click on CMD.exe and Run as Administrator;
you will need to furnish Administrator credentials for this. Note that the
Title Bar will say Administrator:Command Prompt. Any command you issue or
any application you run from this window will run "elevated".

But I suggest that you research and re-think the reason WHY you want to save
these files in C:\, rather than in some location suitable for data. There
are reasons WHY Microsoft decided to protect certain locations from everyday
use by operators.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3508.1109) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"dustie" wrote in message
hi all

Just got a new PC that was pre-installed with Windows 7. It had been
set up with a user called "User 1" and had folders/etc. called "User1"
underneath the "Users" directory. I found that if I changed my User
Name, the folder still stayed the same name and didn't want it all
configured like that so I set up a brand new user called "Dust", made it
an Admin and copied everything across to it...

I've got a problem though in that it won't let me create/save files on
the main C: drive and tells me "You don't have permissiosn to save in
this location. Contact the administrator to obtain permission".

I *am* the administrator!!!

Can anyone help?

 

[Ed Cryer]

Hi, Dustie.

The Root folder - C:\ - is a secure location that Win7 will not
willingly save anything to. But you can create a subfolder there - say
C:\Dustie - and save to that. In Help and Support, search for "secure
locations" for some details. The Program Files folder tree is another
such secure location, since users are not supposed to store data there,
either directly for from an application.

You can open an elevated Command Prompt window and use the DOS-like Copy
command in that window. Right-click on CMD.exe and Run as Administrator;
you will need to furnish Administrator credentials for this. Note that
the Title Bar will say Administrator:Command Prompt. Any command you
issue or any application you run from this window will run "elevated".

But I suggest that you research and re-think the reason WHY you want to
save these files in C:\, rather than in some location suitable for data.
There are reasons WHY Microsoft decided to protect certain locations
from everyday use by operators.

RC

If I right-click in C:\ I get offered only "Folder" for New; and I can
create those at will.
If I create a file on the desktop, cut it and paste it into C:\ then it
says "You will need administrator rights" but one of the options is
"Continue"; which I do and it works fine.

I think that's because I've give my User account Administrator rights.

Ed

 

[Char Jackson]

If I right-click in C:\ I get offered only "Folder" for New; and I can
create those at will.
If I create a file on the desktop, cut it and paste it into C:\ then it
says "You will need administrator rights" but one of the options is
"Continue"; which I do and it works fine.

I think that's because I've give my User account Administrator rights.

When I right-click in C:\, I'm offered the full set of options in New.
I tried a few of those options and everything worked. I tried text
document, rich text document, bitmap image, and folder. No issues. I
have never seen an "access denied" message or a "you will need
administrative rights" message.

My user account has Admin privileges and I have UAC turned off.

Also, when I checked Help and Support for "secure locations", the root
of C:\ was not among the listed locations, so I'm not quite sure
what's going on with you guys.

 

[Ed Cryer]

When I right-click in C:\, I'm offered the full set of options in New.
I tried a few of those options and everything worked. I tried text
document, rich text document, bitmap image, and folder. No issues. I
have never seen an "access denied" message or a "you will need
administrative rights" message.

My user account has Admin privileges and I have UAC turned off.

Also, when I checked Help and Support for "secure locations", the root
of C:\ was not among the listed locations, so I'm not quite sure
what's going on with you guys.

I just turned off UAC, rebooted and now I have everything you have.

This is the question; to have UAC set or not.
For in that world of the Net where teenagers
Just love to sabotage the older generation
And bring their computers to their knees
With viruses...... Aye there's the rub.

Ed

 

[Char Jackson]

I just turned off UAC, rebooted and now I have everything you have.

Mystery solved, thanks! I'm still not sure why it's trying to protect
the root of C:\ since that's not a secure location, but at least we
know what's going on now.

This is the question; to have UAC set or not.

For me, the answer was easy, (disabled), but for my older customers
and the less savvy customers in general, it's a blessing. Many of them
see the UAC prompt and are afraid to click Yes, which is usually a
good thing for me because I have less to clean up afterwards.

 

[BillW50]

... There are reasons WHY Microsoft decided to protect certain
locations from everyday use by operators.

I don't know about the many reasons, but I know of one. That is Vista
and Windows 7 treats all users as morons. Thus since Microsoft has
judged all users as morons (including the administrators), Microsoft
controls your computer and not you the owner. As Microsoft assumes that
you are just too stupid to be trusted with your own stuff.

 

[Ed Cryer]

Mystery solved, thanks! I'm still not sure why it's trying to protect
the root of C:\ since that's not a secure location, but at least we
know what's going on now.


For me, the answer was easy, (disabled), but for my older customers
and the less savvy customers in general, it's a blessing. Many of them
see the UAC prompt and are afraid to click Yes, which is usually a
good thing for me because I have less to clean up afterwards.

I feel a bit uneasy with UAC turned off. It was 3/4 of the way up the
sliding scale; set (I guess) by default.
What I have now is an account set up with full Administrator rights, and
no block on the root of C:. That's a bit like a red rag to a bull.

Come and get it, lads. Have my CD drawer opening and closing at will,
run me round the houses with my email, and just chortle and chortle that
some poor, innocent computer user is having a bad time.

Ed

 

[R. C. White]

Hi, Bill.

I've seen your rants in other threads here, including your frequent
complaints that Microsoft "treats all users as morons". That might be true
for you, but Microsoft has almost always treated me as an intelligent human
being.

I wonder why the different treatment?

(Don't bother to reply, Bill. I don't care to get into a shouting match
with you. I've already seen that you are MUCH better at it than I. And I
suspect that you are a troll.)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP (2002-2010)
Windows Live Mail 2011 (Build 15.4.3508.1109) in Win7 Ultimate x64 SP1


"BillW50" wrote in message

... There are reasons WHY Microsoft decided to protect certain locations
from everyday use by operators.

I don't know about the many reasons, but I know of one. That is Vista
and Windows 7 treats all users as morons. Thus since Microsoft has
judged all users as morons (including the administrators), Microsoft
controls your computer and not you the owner. As Microsoft assumes that
you are just too stupid to be trusted with your own stuff.

 

[BillW50]

Hi, Bill.

I've seen your rants in other threads here, including your frequent
complaints that Microsoft "treats all users as morons". That might be
true for you, but Microsoft has almost always treated me as an
intelligent human being.

I wonder why the different treatment?

(Don't bother to reply, Bill. I don't care to get into a shouting match
with you. I've already seen that you are MUCH better at it than I. And
I suspect that you are a troll.)

How long have you been dealing with Microsoft if you don't mind telling?
And just because you don't feel insulted by Microsoft's new attitude,
doesn't mean some of us are not.

Microsoft has gone out of their way to make Vista and Windows 7 idiot
proof. This is probably fine if you are an idiot, but those that are not
are insulted.

For example I tried to modify a file in the Programs Files folder and
Windows 7 slapped my hand and said: Sorry moron! I can't let you do
that. You are too stupid to be in there and change anything. Maybe you
are okay with Hal telling you what you can do and can't. But I am not.

And no, I am not troll and slandering others is considered to be in bad
form. But you don't care about that, do you?

And no, I don't like the idea of libraries either. I know where all of
my stuff is at. I don't need Windows 7 to be scanning all of my drives
and tossing them into libraries. And I see a huge privacy issue here.

 

[Ed Cryer]

How long have you been dealing with Microsoft if you don't mind telling?
And just because you don't feel insulted by Microsoft's new attitude,
doesn't mean some of us are not.

Microsoft has gone out of their way to make Vista and Windows 7 idiot
proof. This is probably fine if you are an idiot, but those that are not
are insulted.

For example I tried to modify a file in the Programs Files folder and
Windows 7 slapped my hand and said: Sorry moron! I can't let you do
that. You are too stupid to be in there and change anything. Maybe you
are okay with Hal telling you what you can do and can't. But I am not.

And no, I am not troll and slandering others is considered to be in bad
form. But you don't care about that, do you?

And no, I don't like the idea of libraries either. I know where all of
my stuff is at. I don't need Windows 7 to be scanning all of my drives
and tossing them into libraries. And I see a huge privacy issue here.

That's since MS found out out just how stupid the average PC user is.
And, believe you me, there are some really stupid ones. That's why SPAM
pays; that's why phishing emails pay; that's why firewalls,
spy-blasters, virus-checkers et al. sell in such large numbers.
There are some unbelievably stupid PC users.

It's difficult to get into their heads if you're like the average
contributor here. We have some insight into how these bags of tricks
work. Our experience shows us between the lines; we look at the bits and
bytes.

But the vast majority of the millions of PC users don't.
Ring one up, tell him/her that you've detected some problem with his
computer, ask him to look in the Events error log and count how many
errors are logged therein, and you'll ring him back tomorrow evening for
his answer, and he'll be there waiting.
Yes, the average PC user is stupid in comparison. It might just as well
be magic coming from Hogwarts school for all they know!

And that is why MS does what it does; to protect the weakest mentalities
amongst us.

Ed

 

[Char Jackson]

I feel a bit uneasy with UAC turned off. It was 3/4 of the way up the
sliding scale; set (I guess) by default.
What I have now is an account set up with full Administrator rights, and
no block on the root of C:. That's a bit like a red rag to a bull.

Come and get it, lads. Have my CD drawer opening and closing at will,
run me round the houses with my email, and just chortle and chortle that
some poor, innocent computer user is having a bad time.

I would think that's only a concern if you have a history that
supports it. On the other hand, if you have a history of safe (common
sense) computing and keep your antimalware programs up to date there
shouldn't much, if any, cause for concern.

 

[Char Jackson]

And no, I don't like the idea of libraries either. I know where all of
my stuff is at. I don't need Windows 7 to be scanning all of my drives
and tossing them into libraries. And I see a huge privacy issue here.

First, that's not how the Libraries function works. Second, if you
don't plan to use Libraries and want them out of the way, the change
requires 2-3 mouse clicks. Are you sure you used Windows 7 for a year?

 

[BillW50]

First, that's not how the Libraries function works. Second, if you
don't plan to use Libraries and want them out of the way, the change
requires 2-3 mouse clicks. Are you sure you used Windows 7 for a year?

Yup, ran it for a year on three computers. Although I used XP most of
the time. So how do you turn off libraries?

 

[Char Jackson]

Yup, ran it for a year on three computers. Although I used XP most of
the time. So how do you turn off libraries?

You can do what I did and Google it. There were lots of links so I
reviewed a few to see if they used a common approach, which they did,
so click-click and it was done.

I'd like to think I'm normally more helpful than this, but you have to
admit you've been showing some attitude lately so it's hard.