Black Screen

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Rick

I shutdown my computer and the next day at start-up all I got was a black
screen with a moveable cursor, however I did manage to run the program in
safe mode and after doing a restore to a previous version it now won't even
run in safemode, all I get is the same black screen and a popup with the
message..

"Runtime Error! Program: C\:windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe This application has
requested the runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the
application's support team for more information".. I removed the hard drive
and scanned it for problems in another computer using Spybot and Avast anti
virus, Spybot did find several problems which were removed, however after
almost 2 hours Avast found absolutely nothing and on reinstalling the drive
back into the original computer I still have the same problem, can anyone
please explain what's happened and how I can get my computer working again
TIA.
 
P

Paul

Rick said:
I shutdown my computer and the next day at start-up all I got was a
black screen with a moveable cursor, however I did manage to run the
program in safe mode and after doing a restore to a previous version it
now won't even run in safemode, all I get is the same black screen and a
popup with the message..

"Runtime Error! Program: C\:windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe This application
has requested the runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please
contact the application's support team for more information".. I removed
the hard drive and scanned it for problems in another computer using
Spybot and Avast anti virus, Spybot did find several problems which were
removed, however after almost 2 hours Avast found absolutely nothing and
on reinstalling the drive back into the original computer I still have
the same problem, can anyone please explain what's happened and how I
can get my computer working again TIA.
The indication here is, the file has a legitimate name. We
can't know at this point, whether it's the original file or not. Now, if
you didn't have an NVidia GPU or video card, we'd be suspicious it was
malware.

http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/startups/nvvsvc.exe-25794.html

Drivers run in Ring 0 and are part of the kernel space. And
if there is a problem with them, then the computer can "fall over".
Yours doesn't seem to have entirely done that, because you managed to
get a movable cursor and black screen. Perhaps the video portion is
using the default VESA driver, and is currently stuck at the point
it tries to load the Nvidia driver or something. (For that matter,
it could even be some other driver, but we do have the evidence of
the error message to consider, which names and shames nvvsvc.)

What you need to do, is remove the Nvidia driver. What I can't tell
you, is exactly how you're going to do that, since neither Safe
Mode nor the regular mode of operation are working. If I were to boot
an alternate OS in this situation, I wouldn't be able to tell you
where to start, to remove stuff. Enough of the driver would need to
be removed, such that the OS would not attempt to load the driver.
So it's not necessarily all the driver files, there could even be
an INF somewhere tempting the system to load that driver.

You would think Safe Mode would work - at least, as long as the
NVidia driver is not being loaded when in that mode. Try to make
sure if you're entering Safe Mode, that no video driver is loaded
if you can manage it.

There is a picture of the Safe Mode options here.

http://www.w7forums.com/attachments/527d1251990999-safe-mode-windows-7-safe-mode.png

I see an option "Enable low-resolution video" - perhaps that uses
VESA mode for the video card ? And then, that NVidia driver wouldn't
be used.

Maybe someone else knows whether that's a "Safe Mode" or not. Maybe
it just stops the proprietary video driver from loading ? I doubt
the purpose of the "640x480" part, is because there is something
magical about it. I think the "640x480" is trying to tell us,
the video will be using the (dumber) VESA driver. Which doesn't
need things like "nvvsvc".

If you can get to the desktop, then you can try removing the
NVidia driver.

One tricky aspect of drivers now, is some are "built-in" to the OS.
Later, you can install a manufacturer version, a later one. If you
had installed a manufacturer one, that would be for the best, because
there might be less of a problem removing it. If the driver was
something which shipped with the OS, it's not going to be in
"Add/Remove" (Programs and Features or whatever). It might be
harder to stop a built-in driver from trying to load.

You haven't told us, what kind of computer this is. For example, if
the computer had two video options (a built-in chipset video and
a separate video card), maybe you can make progress by removing
the video card or disabling it, and connecting the display to the
built-in video. Using a hardware trick is a long shot, but
perhaps if there are no other options, it'll be something to
try.

Paul
 
R

Rick

Alias said:
Is your graphics and did you update it lately?
Yes it is, although it hasn't been manually updated recently, also I did
think of that and tried using the monitor with the inbuilt graphics via the
D-Sub connector on the Foxcon motherboard, instead of the DVI on the nVidia
card, with exactly the same results.
 
R

Rick

Paul said:
You haven't told us, what kind of computer this is. For example, if
the computer had two video options (a built-in chipset video and
a separate video card), maybe you can make progress by removing
the video card or disabling it, and connecting the display to the
built-in video. Using a hardware trick is a long shot, but
perhaps if there are no other options, it'll be something to
try.
I did think of that and tried using the monitor with the inbuilt graphics
via the
D-Sub connector on the Foxcon motherboard, instead of the DVI on the nVidia
card, with exactly the same results.

Is that test conclusive, or will I have to remove the nVidia card and
drivers for the on board graphics not to exhibit the same problem?
 
J

Jeff Layman

I shutdown my computer and the next day at start-up all I got was a black
screen with a moveable cursor, however I did manage to run the program in
safe mode and after doing a restore to a previous version it now won't even
run in safemode, all I get is the same black screen and a popup with the
message..

"Runtime Error! Program: C\:windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe This application has
requested the runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the
application's support team for more information".. I removed the hard drive
and scanned it for problems in another computer using Spybot and Avast anti
virus, Spybot did find several problems which were removed, however after
almost 2 hours Avast found absolutely nothing and on reinstalling the drive
back into the original computer I still have the same problem, can anyone
please explain what's happened and how I can get my computer working again
TIA.
What happens if you press del/F8/whatever to get it to pause early on
during boot, and then choose "last known good" as your startup choice?
 
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Wolf K

I did think of that and tried using the monitor with the inbuilt
graphics via the
D-Sub connector on the Foxcon motherboard, instead of the DVI on the nVidia
card, with exactly the same results.

Is that test conclusive, or will I have to remove the nVidia card and
drivers for the on board graphics not to exhibit the same problem?
Well, I certainly would try that. If you get a bootable system using the
on-board graphics, there's something wrong with the nVidia card IMO. If
is, replacing it would appear to be the solution.

HTH,
Wolf K.
 
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Wolf K

Well, I certainly would try that. If you get a bootable system using the
on-board graphics, there's something wrong with the nVidia card IMO. If
is, replacing it would appear to be the solution.

HTH,
Wolf K.
The nVidia card overrides the on-board graphics system. The only way to
make the test is to remove the card.

HTH,
Wolf K.
 
R

Rick

Alias said:
Remove the card itself and boot using the on board video card into safe
mode and check the device manager to see if the driver is still there. If
so, remove it and uninstall everything nVidia in Programs and
Characteristics in the Control Panel. Then shut down and put the video
card back in its slot and boot into the BIOS to make sure the on board
video is disabled and then into Normal Mode, download the latest nVidia
drivers and install them. Be sure and hit the switch on your power supply
before removing or putting back the video card. If there is no switch,
pull the plug.
I removed the nVidia and all other cards, reset CMOS and it's still the
same, I didn't mention that with both the nVidia and the on board graphics
it does initially display the Windows logo and looks like it's going to
start normally, the black screen and curser seems to appear at about the
same time I would expect to see the desktop, also attempting to repair
startup from the original installation disk (which also fails) the log
record tells me that I have 'CorruptBootConfigurationData'.

Checking out the net reveals that this problem isn't a one off, although I
haven't seen a satisfactory or easy cure and in all honesty much of it is
above my head.

I'm very tempted to buy a new hard drive, start from scratch and use the
original drive as a slave to try to salvage and transfer as many the files
across as I can, however, presumably because of the tsunami, the prices of a
new 500 GB 3.5" drive appears to be pretty outrageous when compared to the
price I paid for the original about 18 months ago, whilst at the same time
solid state drives appear to be becoming much more affordable, but
unfortunately still only the ones at around a 128 GB.




Of
 
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Nil

I shutdown my computer and the next day at start-up all I got was
a black screen with a moveable cursor, however I did manage to run
the program in safe mode and after doing a restore to a previous
version it now won't even run in safemode, all I get is the same
black screen and a popup with the message..

"Runtime Error! Program: C\:windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe This
application has requested the runtime to terminate it in an
unusual way. Please contact the application's support team for
more information".. I removed the hard drive and scanned it for
problems in another computer using Spybot and Avast anti virus,
Spybot did find several problems which were removed, however after
almost 2 hours Avast found absolutely nothing and on reinstalling
the drive back into the original computer I still have the same
problem, can anyone please explain what's happened and how I can
get my computer working again TIA.
Apparently, nvvsvc.exe is from Nvidia - something called the "driver
helper service". I don't know what it is or what it does.

If you can boot up to a Recovery Console off the install CD, or to a
Safe Mode command line, you might try renaming that file. Then, if you
can get the computer to come up, uninstall, reinstall, or update your
Nvidia display drivers.
 
K

Ken Springer

On 4/16/12 10:06 AM, Rick wrote:

I removed the nVidia and all other cards, reset CMOS and it's still the
same, I didn't mention that with both the nVidia and the on board graphics
it does initially display the Windows logo and looks like it's going to
start normally, the black screen and curser seems to appear at about the
same time I would expect to see the desktop, also attempting to repair
startup from the original installation disk (which also fails) the log
record tells me that I have 'CorruptBootConfigurationData'.

Checking out the net reveals that this problem isn't a one off, although I
haven't seen a satisfactory or easy cure and in all honesty much of it is
above my head.

I'm very tempted to buy a new hard drive, start from scratch and use the
original drive as a slave to try to salvage and transfer as many the files
across as I can, however, presumably because of the tsunami, the prices of a
new 500 GB 3.5" drive appears to be pretty outrageous when compared to the
price I paid for the original about 18 months ago, whilst at the same time
solid state drives appear to be becoming much more affordable, but
unfortunately still only the ones at around a 128 GB.
Hindsight, knowing initially about the logo display may have saved you
some time.

But, you are leaning towards my "gut feeling" solution, the hard drive.
I had a laptop some time back that acted similarly, but with different
files. And, it was the hard drive failing.

May I suggest a hard drive testing program/software like HDTune. I used
the demo version a couple months ago to diagnose problems with a Win7
tower that was given to me. Determined the hard drive has a number of
bad sectors, some of which were in the image recovery section of the
drive. No wonder the original owner couldn't recover the system.

All in all, for a whopping $20 or so for a set of recovery discs from
the mfgr., I now have a working 3 year old Win7 computer.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.6.8
Firefox 11.0
Thunderbird 11.0.1
LibreOffice 3.5.1.2
 
C

Cash

Rick said:
I removed the nVidia and all other cards, reset CMOS and it's still
the same, I didn't mention that with both the nVidia and the on board
graphics it does initially display the Windows logo and looks like
it's going to start normally, the black screen and curser seems to
appear at about the same time I would expect to see the desktop, also
attempting to repair startup from the original installation disk
(which also fails) the log record tells me that I have
'CorruptBootConfigurationData'.
Checking out the net reveals that this problem isn't a one off,
although I haven't seen a satisfactory or easy cure and in all
honesty much of it is above my head.

I'm very tempted to buy a new hard drive, start from scratch and use
the original drive as a slave to try to salvage and transfer as many
the files across as I can, however, presumably because of the
tsunami, the prices of a new 500 GB 3.5" drive appears to be pretty
outrageous when compared to the price I paid for the original about
18 months ago, whilst at the same time solid state drives appear to
be becoming much more affordable, but unfortunately still only the
ones at around a 128 GB.
Have a look at this link http://support.microsoft.com/kb/927391 which refers
to repairing the Boot Configuration - albeit it'd for Vista, but it may help


http://www.ehow.com/how_4836283_repair-mbr-windows.html
 
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Rick

Rick said:
I shutdown my computer and the next day at start-up all I got was a black
screen with a moveable cursor, however I did manage to run the program in
safe mode and after doing a restore to a previous version it now won't even
run in safemode, all I get is the same black screen and a popup with the
message..

"Runtime Error! Program: C\:windows\system32\nvvsvc.exe This application
has requested the runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please
contact the application's support team for more information".. I removed
the hard drive and scanned it for problems in another computer using
Spybot and Avast anti virus, Spybot did find several problems which were
removed, however after almost 2 hours Avast found absolutely nothing and
on reinstalling the drive back into the original computer I still have the
same problem, can anyone please explain what's happened and how I can get
my computer working again TIA.
Many thanks to everyone who took the trouble to try and help, I've tried
about everything and eventually decided to reinstall Windows 7 from scratch,
leaving the existing files in 'Windows Old' unfortunately however at the end
of the installation a message box appeared which said "Windows could not
update the computer's boot configuration, installation can not proceed" and
that was it, so it looks like reverting to the old tried and trusted 'Format
C'.
Perhaps I'm being a tad too naive, but why isn't it technically possible for
an installation disk to simply analyse and detect corrupt and missing files
in an OS and delete and replace them?
 
R

Rick

Alias said:
"Note that you must perform the in-place upgrade process from within
Windows; if your PC can't fully boot to the Windows desktop, this repair
guide is not for you"... My problem is that I am unable to get into Windows
and my guess is that this is one of the most typical problems encountered,
which IMV makes it ridiculous that the only way that it can be repaired is
from a running OS.
 
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Rick

Alias said:
Oh well, at least reinstalling Windows 7 is faster than XP.
Thanks for the help anyway, I have managed to cull most of my programs and
files from the drive by using it as a slave in another computer, which I can
reinstall on the new installation.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

The nVidia card overrides the on-board graphics system. The only way to make
the test is to remove the card.
HTH,
Wolf K.
My BIOS setup has a way to disable the graphics card and revert to the
on-board graphics (as well as vice versa, or even having both enabled),
but it's obscure and I can't remember how it's done without finding &
reading the motherboard manual.

Anyway, going into the BIOS to make that setting might help the OP.
 
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Wolf K

My BIOS setup has a way to disable the graphics card and revert to the
on-board graphics (as well as vice versa, or even having both enabled),
but it's obscure and I can't remember how it's done without finding &
reading the motherboard manual.
Noted, thanks,
Wolf K.
 

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