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Ed Cryer
Has anybody run this yet on W7?
Ed
Ed
G
Gil
Why would you want to? It appears to be another 'snake oil' program.Ed said:
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Ed Cryer
No it isn't. Just run it and look at the list of temp files and orphaned
registry entry items that it produces.
They're all there on my computer; believe you me.
I can always note them down from the list, and delete them manually. But
the program would be much quicker.
Ed
C
Char Jackson
I guess the question is, what do you hope to gain by deleting orphaned
Registry entries and temp files? I see risks, but I don't see real
benefits.
K
KCB

Win7.
I haven't tried that, but CCleaner does the same thing, and works fine onEd Cryer said:
Win7.
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Bruce Chambers
Ed said:
Yes, it is. If it does nothing of benefit, it's snake oil, by definition.
So what? Those are harmless.
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Bruce Chambers
KCB said:
CCleaner's only strength, and the only reason anyone should use it,
lies in its usefulness for cleaning up unused temporary files from the
hard drive. It differs from the native Windows tool in that it allows
more granular control and you can specify which folders you want scanned.
It's registry cleaner, however, is worthless. I've tested the most
recent recent version (with all updates) version on a brand-new OS
installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly
none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to
"find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product,
in this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but
worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)
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Stan Brown
This brings back memories of similar wars on the Windows XP
newsgroups.
I think it's really a religious argument. Registry cleaners are
snake oil, yet people keep using them because it gives them the
illusion of doing something.
It's not unlike prayer, really.
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Dave-UK
Bruce Chambers said:
I've used the different CCleaner versions for years, and I'm now using
version 2.36.1233, the latest as of this post's date.
As far as I know CCleaner has never looked for any "suspicious" files.
I've looked at the features page and I see nothing about "suspicious" files:
http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner/features
I can't see any settings, in the temp cache cleaner, the registry cleaner, the
Tools or Options pages that will search for or display a suspicious file.
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Bob I
Not really, in the case of prayer, if you are right, you have everything
to gain, but lose nothing if you are wrong. But, in the case of reg
cleaners you have everything to lose, and nothing to gain.
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Bruce Chambers
Stan said:
A very apt analogy.
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KCB

I thought this was what we were talking about. Aside from what you mention
above, it's light-years faster than Windows Disk Cleanup utility. If
somebody wants to clean up their registry with it, why should you care?
It's not like they're getting ripped-off; it's free.
""Bruce Chambers said:
I thought this was what we were talking about. Aside from what you mention
above, it's light-years faster than Windows Disk Cleanup utility. If
somebody wants to clean up their registry with it, why should you care?
It's not like they're getting ripped-off; it's free.
G
Gene E. Bloch
Amen to that.
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Stan Brown
LOL!
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Ed Cryer
Some programs operate by reading the whole registry. The more stuff in
there, the longer they take. Windows 7 doesn't have the size limit of
earlier versions, but it still holds lots and lots of clutter; mostly
due to sloppy uninstalls.
Try Nero, for example. That leaves clutter by the bucket-load.
You tend not to notice it with a good modern computer; dual-core
processor, 3GB RAM, 1TB hard drive etc. But it still happens.
If you've ever found your brain overloaded with info, that's because
there's a lot of it about. Just how the human cerebrum clears its
clutter, we don't know. But it does; and it does it better with some
people than with others. The ones who can pass exams, focus more quickly
when needed and generally achieve higher.
Ed
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Bruce Chambers
Ed said:
Please identify these improperly designed/coded programs, so people can
avoid buying/using them.
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Char Jackson
Exactly...
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Ed Cryer
Well, there's CCleaner, RegCleaner, Registry Mechanic und so weiter.
Ed
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Dave-UK
Who are you to decide on what constitutes a benefit for a particular user?Bruce Chambers said:
I do not like having orphaned registry entries in my registry.
I run CCleaner to remove them. To me that is a benefit.
I don't care if they are harmless, I want them deleted.
Your opinion of registry cleaners is just that, an opinion.
You have been pontificating on registry cleaners for what seems like
years in the various newsgroups. Always the same Pavlovian response
that all registry cleaners are snake-oil.
You posted in this thread:
"It's registry cleaner, however, is worthless. I've tested the most
recent recent version (with all updates) version on a brand-new OS
installation with no additional applications installed, and certainly
none installed and then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to
"find" over a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a *worthless* product,
in this regard. (Not that any registry cleaner can ever be anything but
worthless, as they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)"
Where does CCleaner display information about a suspicious file ?
Obviously you can't answer because it doesn't do anything of the sort.
So that tells me you are lying about the 'test' you say you did.
You also apparently did a test back in November 2009.
It must have been a different test because you say in both threads
you used the most recent version of CCleaner.
Let me remind you of your post of 27 November 2009
in the thread ' Re: Registry Cleaners ':
"CCleaner's registry scanner seems relatively benign, as long as you
step through each detected "issue" (almost all of which will be bogus)
one at a time, to determine if it really is an "issue" or not, and then
decide whether or not to let the application "fix" it. In my testing,
though, most of the reported "issues" won't be issues, at all. I tried
the latest version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional
applications installed, and certainly none installed and then
uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over a hundred
allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of purportedly
"suspicious" files. Its findings were utter nonsense, in plain terms."
So on two occasions, almost a year apart, two different versions of
CCleaner found "dozens of purportedly suspicious files" .
I've never seen that with any version of CCleaner and neither have you.
You state that CCleaner's "findings were utter nonsense".
Have you voiced your concerns to Piriform ?
In CCleaner > Options > About, you are invited to report any bugs.
After your latest investigation did you forward your allegedly false
results in any sort of bug report ?
Surely the correct course of action is to report back to the source
rather than constantly denigrate a product, a free product, in newsgroups.
I'm sure that if your claims were verifiable then Piriform would thank you
and correct their software, wherever it produced "utter nonsense".
I have no connection with Piriform or it's employees but if it were my
company I would get legal advice about stopping you and your claims.
What you are unable to grasp is that some people like to run their Windows
the way they want to, not how an arrogant liar on a newsgroup tells them to.
In my opinion you are a liar and that makes your posts worthless.