Anytime Upgrade

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Ken1943

I did a upgrade from Starter to Home on a Toshiba netbook. I guess the
upgrade key I got would allow a clean install from one of the dvd's I
have ?

This netbook is slow compared to a clean install of Win 7 on a eee pc
that came with XP.

I have tried disabling Toshiba utilities, any security software and any
other programs that might doing the dirty deed.

Unless it is the netbook hardware, I thought doing a clean install may
solve the problem.

Any thoughts




KenW
 
K

Ken Blake

I did a upgrade from Starter to Home on a Toshiba netbook. I guess the
upgrade key I got would allow a clean install from one of the dvd's I
have ?

This netbook is slow compared to a clean install of Win 7 on a eee pc
that came with XP.

I have tried disabling Toshiba utilities, any security software and any
other programs that might doing the dirty deed.

Unless it is the netbook hardware, I thought doing a clean install may
solve the problem.


Highly unlikely that a clean installation would make a difference. The
difference in performance is very likely the difference in the
hardware. What are the hardware configurations of the two machines?
 
K

Ken1943

Highly unlikely that a clean installation would make a difference. The
difference in performance is very likely the difference in the
hardware. What are the hardware configurations of the two machines?
Both are Atom 1.6 gig and 2 gig ram. Both have the same programs running.
The one program I use is Outpost Security Suite and notice the biggest
difference on a quick scan when an update is installed. Seems like the
scan takes longer on the Toshiba and both machines have the same settings
in OSS.

The Toshiba has all their utilities and thought that they may be the
cause. I used Autoruns to shut them down, but no help.


KenW
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

Ken1943 said:
Both are Atom 1.6 gig and 2 gig ram. Both have the same programs running.
The one program I use is Outpost Security Suite and notice the biggest
difference on a quick scan when an update is installed. Seems like the
scan takes longer on the Toshiba and both machines have the same settings
in OSS.
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Do both yield the same "Windows Experience Index" or whatever it's
called?
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Ken1943

Do both yield the same "Windows Experience Index" or whatever it's
called?
I would have to look again. I thought the 'WEI' didn't mean crap.


KenW
 
K

Ken1943

The Toshiba failed because it could not measure the video playback
performance.

Interesting, let me check the video drivers.

From the previous run, the Toshiba was slightly faster than the EEE PC.





KenW
 
R

RM9984

If I remember correctly the anytime upgrade key cannot be used as an install
key. There may be a workaround, but I have not heard of it.
 
K

Ken1943

Highly unlikely that a clean installation would make a difference. The
difference in performance is very likely the difference in the
hardware. What are the hardware configurations of the two machines?
I have to agree with you. Looks like the chipset in the Toshiba can't
handle the I/O speed that the chipset in the EEE PC can.


KenW
 
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Paul

Ken1943 said:
I have to agree with you. Looks like the chipset in the Toshiba can't
handle the I/O speed that the chipset in the EEE PC can.


KenW
Try the HDTune benchmark and report back. If you see
a "curve" for a result, that would be normal. If you
see a "flat line" then something is wrong. The only
time a "flat line" is acceptable, is for an SSD, USB flash,
or a software RAMDisk.

http://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe

This is a RAMDisk back when I was testing it. This is a flat
line. If your rotating hard drive is in PIO Mode (polled transfer),
then transfers will be limited to the 4 to 7MB/sec range and there
will be heavy CPU usage. PIO Mode is the one to avoid, for any drive.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8694/hdtunedataram2gbabove.gif

This is a regular (rotating) hard drive. The curve has about a
2:1 ratio between the best and worst parts of the curve. If both machines
have rotating hard drives, and the transfer mode is DMA as it should be,
it will look like this. Older drives, the scale of the graph will
be reduced (60MB/sec at start down to maybe 30MB/sec near the end).
But the results should still be better than when a drive is stuck in
"flat line" PIO mode.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6982/hdtunebenchmark500gbst3.png

Paul
 
K

Ken1943

Try the HDTune benchmark and report back. If you see
a "curve" for a result, that would be normal. If you
see a "flat line" then something is wrong. The only
time a "flat line" is acceptable, is for an SSD, USB flash,
or a software RAMDisk.

http://www.hdtune.com/files/hdtune_255.exe

This is a RAMDisk back when I was testing it. This is a flat
line. If your rotating hard drive is in PIO Mode (polled transfer),
then transfers will be limited to the 4 to 7MB/sec range and there
will be heavy CPU usage. PIO Mode is the one to avoid, for any drive.

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/8694/hdtunedataram2gbabove.gif

This is a regular (rotating) hard drive. The curve has about a
2:1 ratio between the best and worst parts of the curve. If both machines
have rotating hard drives, and the transfer mode is DMA as it should be,
it will look like this. Older drives, the scale of the graph will
be reduced (60MB/sec at start down to maybe 30MB/sec near the end).
But the results should still be better than when a drive is stuck in
"flat line" PIO mode.

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6982/hdtunebenchmark500gbst3.png

Paul
I tried one drive test program which showed similar results on both. I
will try HDtune though. There is not many options with the bios in
netbooks.
In device manager, the chipset can not even be seen. It's tied to the
Atom processor. I was able to update the driver and the update shows in
the registry. Found the chipset on Intel's site and it's listed as
compatible with Win 7 Starter and Home, but not Home Prem. or higher.


KenW
 
K

Ken1943

The HDtune run on the Toshiba shows a graph that is really all over the
place up and down. Lowest speed is 1m/sec. The EEE PC shows a much more
stable graph.

The Toshiba drive is a Fujitsu.
The EEE PC is a seagate.

Now if I can blame the drive or the chipset is another matter.
Don't know if I want to spend $60 to find out. A ssd is out of the
question price wise as both netbooks are only used when I travel.


KenW
 
K

Ken1943

If I remember correctly the anytime upgrade key cannot be used as an install
key. There may be a workaround, but I have not heard of it.
I have read both yes and no. I think it may be the disk.


KenW
 
K

Ken1943

I can get a Seagate drive for under $50 so I may replace it.
Never changed one in a netbook before, but can't be very hard.
I do have a backup image so that's no problem.

Thanks for your help.


KenW
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

I can get a Seagate drive for under $50 so I may replace it.
Never changed one in a netbook before, but can't be very hard.
I do have a backup image so that's no problem.

Thanks for your help.

KenW
It's very easy if your netbook has a panel on the bottom to give access
to the drive.

Mine (Acer) doesn't. It still might be easy, since there a few obvious
screws around the single-piece bottom...But the manual offers no ideas.

If you can't see how, try going to a memory manufacturer's site. Their
instructions for adding or replacing RAM might get you inside.
 
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Gene E. Bloch

It's very easy if your netbook has a panel on the bottom to give access
to the drive.

Mine (Acer) doesn't. It still might be easy, since there a few obvious
screws around the single-piece bottom...But the manual offers no ideas.

If you can't see how, try going to a memory manufacturer's site. Their
instructions for adding or replacing RAM might get you inside.
Google gives a lot of YouTube videos :)
 
K

Ken1943

It's very easy if your netbook has a panel on the bottom to give access
to the drive.

Mine (Acer) doesn't. It still might be easy, since there a few obvious
screws around the single-piece bottom...But the manual offers no ideas.

If you can't see how, try going to a memory manufacturer's site. Their
instructions for adding or replacing RAM might get you inside.
There is a door on the bottom. Just ordered a Seagate drive for $42
shipped (the same type as in the EEE PC). So no big loss if it doesn't
help.


KenW
 
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Paul

Ken1943 said:
The HDtune run on the Toshiba shows a graph that is really all over the
place up and down. Lowest speed is 1m/sec. The EEE PC shows a much more
stable graph.

The Toshiba drive is a Fujitsu.
The EEE PC is a seagate.

Now if I can blame the drive or the chipset is another matter.
Don't know if I want to spend $60 to find out. A ssd is out of the
question price wise as both netbooks are only used when I travel.


KenW
Was the antivirus software disabled when the Fujitsu was being evaluated ?

You can't really afford to have any conflicting software running at
the same time, as otherwise you'll get some very low downward spikes,
when the drive head is doing nothing but seeks back to back.

If you're absolutely sure Indexing, AV, and the like are turned off,
there are no other backups or the like running, then download a
diagnostic for the disk. The computer could even decide to do a
system restore point (but that only happens once a week now).

Some of the disk diagnostic programs, are stand alone boot systems.
And when you boot with the diagnostic disc, there won't be any other software to
interfere. At a minimum the diagnostic will check the SMART statistics,
run a few simple tests. Usually, a longer test scans the disk surface
(but that isn't necessary, if you fail the short test anyway). On the
down-side, I've noticed that the version of FreeDOS included on
diagnostic packages like that, as trouble running on modern hardware.
I have diagnostics that fail to run on my Core2 P5E motherboard, and
they also fail to run on my new laptop. They do seem to work on my older
hardware (like my P4 Northwood system).

http://sdd.toshiba.com/main.aspx?Path=ServicesSupport/FujitsuDrives/SoftwareUtilities

*******

Another thing you can try, is use the HDTune bad block scan (rightmost tab).
Let it scan the entire disk surface. I have one disk here, that behaved
differently after a simple single read pass over the entire surface. The
downward spikes weren't quite as bad on the next benchmark run.

Some drives now, have 4KB sectors, and 512 byte emulation is layered on top
of it. Windows 7 has native 4KB support (there was a patch a while back for it).
Again, I've noticed some strange things with my last three 500GB disks,
in that they have a block size dependency. To give an example, I was
doing block transfers in 1MB chunks (usually bigger chunks work better),
and got only 30% of the transfer speed that could be achieved by reducing
the chunk size to 32768 bytes. I've seen something similar, when dropping all
the way down to 4KB sized chunks in a transfer. And if I specified non-power-of-two
values for transfer size, that also affected performance. I *never* used to see
that on any of my old drives. Your Fujitsu probably won't have that,
as I don't know to what extent Fujitsu got on the "4KB bandwagon" with
the other manufacturers. I thought Fujitsu got rid of at least some
of their storage manufacturing, and I don't know whether they make drives
any more or not. About all that's left now, is Seagate and Western Digital,
as the others disappeared or were bought out. Quite a bit of market
consolidation has occurred. I think even the independent companies
that used to make platters, they got bought up too.

Paul
 
G

Gene E. Bloch

There is a door on the bottom. Just ordered a Seagate drive for $42
shipped (the same type as in the EEE PC). So no big loss if it doesn't
help.

KenW
Lucky guy.

I learned on YouTube today that my Acer can be opened, but it's not a
picnic.

Step one is to loosen 7 clips on the top edge of the keyboard and ease
the keyboard out, then try to unplug the cable without damaging anything
:)

Oddly enough, this starts the process of getting to the *back* of the
computer...

I'll spare you further sorry details :)
 
J

J. P. Gilliver (John)

In message <[email protected]>,
If I remember correctly the anytime upgrade key cannot be used as an install
key. There may be a workaround, but I have not heard of it.
Is that the one next to the Caps Lock key (-:?
 
D

Dominique

"Gene E. Bloch" <[email protected]> écrivait

Lucky guy.

I learned on YouTube today that my Acer can be opened, but it's not a
picnic.

Step one is to loosen 7 clips on the top edge of the keyboard and ease
the keyboard out, then try to unplug the cable without damaging anything
:)

Oddly enough, this starts the process of getting to the *back* of the
computer...

I'll spare you further sorry details :)
I've change the drive in my EeePC for a bigger one and it was a similar
process, remove keyboard, be very careful with fragile cable, it was no
joy. That process void the warranty because I had to break a seal but it's
expired now and I had no problem.

There's a panel on the back of that EeePC model but it's for accessing RAM.
 

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